Another factor is that there is way more software on Windows, which increases the risk of something going bad.

nightwatch wrote:

It's not as stable as macOS and probably never will be. I need to get work done.

EEEERP! Wrong answer.

I've been getting work done without a single crash ever since Windows 7. Day in, day out, pushing the system hard with all sorts of processing. Not a single hitch, ever. So take your preconceptions elsewhere.

As an added benefit, I like to be able to run some 20+ years old programs that might not have more modern or as good replacements (example: some really flexible editors for some of my synths, like emagic's (RIP) editor for Kawai K5000, or a REALLY great editor for Yamaha AN1x that's back from W95/98 era, etc. - they all still work just fine in the latest W10!), without the need to install virtual machines and whatnot, instead of bowing down to Apple's planned obsolence schemes and breaking stuff in OS updates ("your program won't work on this new version of our OS, because f**k you, that's why!"), that have become all too familiar in the last years.

Believe what you want. It's not a preconception about Windows downtime. It's been well documented. Every mixed environment IT person knows that repair times for Windows vs OS X are anywhere from 4:1 to 8:1 depending on the year and the circumstances. I was a Network Admin at Motorola for a group of 500 mixed users. Saw it all the time.

If it works for you, great. I don't really care to rehash very old arguments. For me it ended in the late 90s when Job's brought NeXTStep to Apple and rebuilt the company. You're an educated end user and not typical. But I've seen users go through nightmares because they didn't know enough about Windows to troubleshoot it. Anyway, old argument. I'll leave it to the nuts on YouTube.

Personally I've never had a problem with Apple upgrades. Planned obsolesce? That's just propaganda by Apple's competition. It just goes with the territory when you make the hardware and software. I have all of my iPhones and iPads from the first generation and they still work. In fact I still use a pair of iPhone 5s for multi camera shoots. I have a 2003 Apple PowerMac G5 that I use as a transitional server (it draws too much power to be a good residential server these days). But it runs like a champ. I have a beautiful 1990 Mac Classic running System 7.1.2 that runs MOTU's Unisyn if I ever need an old librarian. I've completely rebuilt my 2009 Mac Pros with more modern Xeons, faster memory, m.2 PCie RAIDs, etc etc. It's fast and reliable. (Each is actually faster than the 12-core trashcan Mac Pros in most ways). They'll last a good long time and they're still plenty fast enough.

So, it's only planned obsolesce if you allow it to be that way, which I don't.

It's not as stable as macOS and probably never will be. I need to get work done.

EEEERP! Wrong answer.

I've been getting work done without a single crash ever since Windows 7. Day in, day out, pushing the system hard with all sorts of processing. Not a single hitch, ever. So take your preconceptions elsewhere.

As an added benefit, I like to be able to run some 20+ years old programs that might not have more modern or as good replacements (example: some really flexible editors for some of my synths, like emagic's (RIP) editor for Kawai K5000, or a REALLY great editor for Yamaha AN1x that's back from W95/98 era, etc. - they all still work just fine in the latest W10!), without the need to install virtual machines and whatnot, instead of bowing down to Apple's planned obsolence schemes and breaking stuff in OS updates ("your program won't work on this new version of our OS, because f**k you, that's why!"), that have become all too familiar in the last years.

That's really not the case. Pianoteq is definitely using more than two cores over here, at any time!

But Pianoteq only uses two cores for processing and that means you need reasonably powerful cores to do the processing.  Many tablets simply lack the CPU power to do this.  Quite cheap laptops manage fine, because many (but not all) of those use cheap Celeron and AMD CPUs with two cores that each have enough power.

But some laptops (as well as some tablets) use Atoms with multiple cores (four or more).  While these are fine for multi-threaded apps, they're not going to deliver enough CPU power to Pianoteq.

The highest rated Atom I know of has a single thread Passmark of about 340 with 4 cores, so about 680 "units" are available for Pianoteq.  Now Pianoteq will run on Celeron's like the N2840 (cheap laptops often use them) and that delivers a single thread rating of about 550, and two cores means about 1100 "units" available for Pianoteq.  Nearly twice what a good tablet will be able to provide.

So while the iOS fan club want an iOS version, the reality is that there are relatively few tablet owners that will have enough power to run Pianoteq.  It would require possibly quite a lot of rewriting to make Pianoteq use more than two cores, so it's a big investment to do that and I'd be very skeptical that the market is there for it.

So an iOS version seems unlikely.

Also note that Intel have stated they intend to produce CPUs with more cores, not faster cores.  This has to do with the need to manage power consumption on low power devices and also manage heat on the CPU die.  So faster CPUs are less likely on tablets in the future with CPU power coming from extra cores, I think.

I don't understand why you dislike the iPad Pro or iOS so much. I'm not a novice. I've owned Macs since the 80s and was an Apple employee in the 90s.

In my studio I use two 12-core Mac Pros running Digital Performer, Vienna Ensemble Pro and hundreds of tracks of the deepest multi-mic sample libs. So you're impression that I'm some Apple Sheepie who's buying into whatever Apple says is nonsense.

I use Notion iOS on my iPad Pro as my mobile device to scoring for orchestra and it works amazingly well. The handwriting recognition is excellent and it plays back a full orchestra just fine. The iPad Pad is much faster to compose one than a laptop.

Personally I've never liked Windows. I'd rather not use it. It's not as stable as macOS and probably never will be. I need to get work done. Not install maintenance updates. In the IT world the time to repair ratio between Windows and macOS is at minimum 4 to 1. That's based on 8 years of IT experience as a network supervisor in business and education. My friends in the IT world say that hasn't changed.

So what's the problem? I see a lot of iOS users requesting companies to make iOS versions of products. I don't see that going away.

I think the iPad Pro 3rd generation will be the iPad that has as much power as a decent laptop but it won't have the disadvantages that desktop CPUs have on mobile devices (although my first generation does just fine). And yeah, the size of the 12.9" iPad Pro is like holding a clipboard with notation paper on it. To me that's great. If you enjoying hating on it so much go ahead. But it's a serious work device for me.

Where do you read that I dislike iOS or Ipad or call you a novice or something ? I love it, windows or mac or ios anything that bring progress. I dislike defective piano programs and in my previous post I talk about Ravenscroft for iOS vs desktop Ravenscroft. Most samples pianos are defective unfortunately, but at the moment vst pianos for iOS are worst and Ravenscroft for iOS is not exception, maybe better then others for iOS. Sounds like toys. I understand that you like it but honestly that `STUNNING` was irritating. Sorry. I only hope that Modartt will not release defective Pianoteq for iOS (if they) because I want full version no matter price or at least the same sound engine. If only Sport Billy bag exist I will pack inside my acoustic piano to always be with me. No compromises at least for me.

nightwatch wrote:

I bought the UVI Ravenscroft for iOS for $35.00. STUNNING! Well worth the money. It doesn't have multiple mics. It seems to have less velocity layers and by the sound of it, they're using something to help keep the dynamics very natural without the help of most of the tools of the desktop version. I made an extensive comparison and made a screen and audio recording of the whole thing, which I may post on my YouTube channel.

I find the arguments against the iPad Pro to be very weak. Yes, StaffPad is nice. But the bare file system of iOS just isn't a problem. The "Open in.." feature is very useful.

Anyway, if UVI could do it, I believe Modartt could too. Only now, I'm not sure that I need it.

I love that `STUNNING` word for about two (three?) times worst product than desktop version which happily running on about 200g more weight in some 13 laptop with i5 or i7 . Don`t say twice maybe you really convince yourself.

I don't understand why you dislike the iPad Pro or iOS so much. I'm not a novice. I've owned Macs since the 80s and was an Apple employee in the 90s.

In my studio I use two 12-core Mac Pros running Digital Performer, Vienna Ensemble Pro and hundreds of tracks of the deepest multi-mic sample libs. So you're impression that I'm some Apple Sheepie who's buying into whatever Apple says is nonsense.

I use Notion iOS on my iPad Pro as my mobile device to scoring for orchestra and it works amazingly well. The handwriting recognition is excellent and it plays back a full orchestra just fine. The iPad Pad is much faster to compose one than a laptop.

Personally I've never liked Windows. I'd rather not use it. It's not as stable as macOS and probably never will be. I need to get work done. Not install maintenance updates. In the IT world the time to repair ratio between Windows and macOS is at minimum 4 to 1. That's based on 8 years of IT experience as a network supervisor in business and education. My friends in the IT world say that hasn't changed.

So what's the problem? I see a lot of iOS users requesting companies to make iOS versions of products. I don't see that going away.

I think the iPad Pro 3rd generation will be the iPad that has as much power as a decent laptop but it won't have the disadvantages that desktop CPUs have on mobile devices (although my first generation does just fine). And yeah, the size of the 12.9" iPad Pro is like holding a clipboard with notation paper on it. To me that's great. If you enjoying hating on it so much go ahead. But it's a serious work device for me.

I bought the UVI Ravenscroft for iOS for $35.00. STUNNING! Well worth the money. It doesn't have multiple mics. It seems to have less velocity layers and by the sound of it, they're using something to help keep the dynamics very natural without the help of most of the tools of the desktop version. I made an extensive comparison and made a screen and audio recording of the whole thing, which I may post on my YouTube channel.

I find the arguments against the iPad Pro to be very weak. Yes, StaffPad is nice. But the bare file system of iOS just isn't a problem. The "Open in.." feature is very useful.

Anyway, if UVI could do it, I believe Modartt could too. Only now, I'm not sure that I need it.

I love that `STUNNING` word for about two (three?) times worst product than desktop version which happily running on about 200g more weight in some 13 laptop with i5 or i7 . Don`t say twice maybe you really convince yourself.

I find the arguments against the iPad Pro to be very weak. Yes, StaffPad is nice. But the bare file system of iOS just isn't a problem. The "Open in.." feature is very useful.

Anyway, if UVI could do it, I believe Modartt could too. Only now, I'm not sure that I need it.

nightwatch wrote:

Of course not. In fact Apple seems to have learned their lesson by treating macOS as a second class citizen the last few years.

It doesn't seem that way to me.

I'm very grateful that Pianoteq runs (very well) on Linux,..

The belated addition of the APFS is a big deal for macOS (even if it came after the iOS release). The project leader was the guy who wrote the file system for BeOS, so I have faith in him. I hope that Apple doesn't just do the bare minimum with the new file system, but we'll see.

I also think the announcements of the upcoming Mac Pro and iMac Xeon edition signal's Apple realization that they need flagship pro products to stay relative.

Maybe that's just optimism, but from this long time Mac user it's the best news I've heard from Apple since the Jobs' days.

I do like some distros of Linux, and it's great that PianoTeq is avaible for the platform. But like I said I've always liked the Finder and it's drag and drop experience. I only hope with APFS Apple will update the Finder and some of the drivers (appleRAID) to be a little more modern.

Of course not. In fact Apple seems to have learned their lesson by treating macOS as a second class citizen the last few years.

It doesn't seem that way to me.

I'm very grateful that Pianoteq runs (very well) on Linux, which is my preferred OS, and very happy with its performance, its configurability and its superlative instruments and sound, despite the fact that I own an iPad Pro (which I am using at this moment with an attached Apple keyboard to type this response).

Fscotte55 wrote:

I've been waiting a while now for Pianoteq to decide whether they wanna come on over to the future which is iOS.

Do you expect Apple to abandon MacOS in favor of iOS?

Of course not. In fact Apple seems to have learned their lesson by treating macOS as a second class citizen the last few years.

I consider myself a Mac "power user" if you will, always buying flagship models (running several finially tuned Mac Pros at their full potential), but I also see that the iPad Pro is headed towards a gesture based pro device that's serious about power.

The current iPad Pro architecture is strong. As an owner of the original 12.9" iPad Pro I'm constantly amazed by how many power hungry synhs I can run at the same time while using the Lightning to USB cable as a digital audio connection for transferring synced submixes to my Mac Pros. (I do believe Apple needs to replace Lightening with USB C to utilize that speed).

But what's really important is the sheer quantity and quality of pro musical apps for iOS. The apps are not toys.

I didn't know Ravenscroft came to iOS. If true, not only would that be amazing but it would also make some of us really wonder what the good folks at PianoTeq are thinking.

iOS is not going to make macOS obsolete. I love the Finder way too much.

But I use my iPad Pro for about 30% of my overall workflow and if a developer won't make an iOS version I have to look elsewhere because I try to duplicate my macOS system on my iOS decice as much as I can.

I've been waiting a while now for Pianoteq to decide whether they wanna come on over to the future which is iOS.

Do you expect Apple to abandon MacOS in favor of iOS?

I've never owned Pianoteq, would absolutely love to.

But refuse to purchase because I do not use laptops, cannot, will not, it's iOS all the way due to convenience and setup.

And the longer they wait, the less people like me want.

Ravenscroft iOS has literally blown the doors off any iOS piano app, and plays virtually identical to it's desktop powerhouse. 

So Pianoteq can either sit back and piddle around on another Steinway model "blah" while watching a massive market pass them by, or they can don their uniforms and jump aboard the iOS ship for the big win.  Inside every iPad is a Pianoteq just waiting to get out.

I will end by saying I was initially envious of StaffPad for the Surface. But Notion iOS actually turned out to meet my real world demands. It's no toy. I will demonstrate in an upcoming video on my YouTube channel. I'll post a link here soon.

Nightwatch- have you looked at Komp (https://kompapp.com)? As an individual hobbyist, I'm against their subscription pricing. As a professional user, it might fit you well. I'd be curious to hear someone with your experience compare it to Notion.