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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Combining two piano models.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your kind comments, Neil.</p><p>I was thinking from a point of view of actually having two pianos in the same room. Two distinct sound sources will always sound more realistic than pre-mixed (just because one&#039;s brain expects the room&#039;s acoustics to respond differently to two physically separate sources). I like your idea of utilising the capabilities of 5.1 sound card for this.</p><p>I&#039;ve just moved house and we&#039;re setting up my partner&#039;s piano teaching studio, where we have an acoustic grand, and will also set up a couple of independent Pianoteq / open source organ/synth enabled keyboards. But the setup will be more for piano duets, non-piano instrumental comping and as teaching aid rather than for layering sounds (though no doubt we&#039;ll give that a shot too).</p><p>As far as latency goes, as long as it&#039;s low enough it should not matter. If you have two acoustic grands in the same room, the &quot;latency&quot; or mismatch in times of sound reaching one&#039;s ears just from the finite speed of sound in air will typically be of the order of 10 ms depending on where the listener is situated (sound travels about 3 m or 10 feet in that amount of time). With reasonably recent hardware Pianoteq+MIDI latency can be kept to much less than that.</p><p>I agree with you though that the simplest setup that does what one&#039;s after is always the best.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SteveLy]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-03-02T18:02:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Combining two piano models.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@ SteveLy - I&#039;ve noticed you are one of the most helpful &amp; friendly members here on the forum - Thanks, some of your advice has helped me a lot! :-)</p><p>regarding two computers - personally I think if you&#039;ve enough CPU it&#039;s better to run multiple instances in one computer - otherwise you&#039;d have to multiply the midi output from your master keyboard, and then if the 2 computers have different latency then the models would be out of sync no?</p><p>But a simple fun thing is to pan the two (of more) instances of Pianoteq hard left/Right - or you could take things further in a 5:1 system and have four pianos in surround :-)) An autopanner is also fun for the more spatial of you all.</p><p>(one of the only parameters I&#039;m surprised Pianoteq doesn&#039;t have is a pan or auto pan in the FX module, although it&#039;s easy to get around with DAW/Mixers etc)</p><p>Edit: Aah, now I&#039;ve started thinking about the 5:1 surround sound possibilities of the mic placements……. unfortunately I don&#039;t have 5:1 in my studio, but I&#039;m playing an arena tour in November with PianoteQ and the PA is vast….. has anyone tried this out? Any feedback would be appreciated.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Neil]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-02-28T11:35:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Combining two piano models.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you wanted to go all out, you could try two computers running Pianoteq independently, feeding two independent sets of amps and speakers.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[SteveLy]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-02-27T05:48:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Combining two piano models.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Now that&#039;s one a great idea, Neil ;-) Thumbs up!</p><p>...ramp down the volume..<br />Even Ableton Live using Chains within a device rack and velocity fade range, ummm doable!!<br />Between us; this can spice up next Pianoteq Contest, or not.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[keymanpal]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-02-27T03:17:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Combining two piano models.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi Lanny,</p><p>Sure - I didn&#039;t imagine I was the first to do this :-) But I was surprised that similar piano models &#039;sang&#039; so well with each other instead of phasing like samples would.<br />So many possibilities……. yes - your method of ramping the volume range would be another solution I&#039;m sure.<br />I think Harp &amp; &#039;sichord might be a fun combination also...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Neil]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-02-26T13:59:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Combining two piano models.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi Neil - I have been layering different presets in a similar manner for a couple of years now.&nbsp; Regarding the single string bass range - I simply ramp down the volume in the note-to-note editing feature retaining the bass range levels of the preset you prefer.</p><p>Try the 1922 Erard or the model K with the new model B.&nbsp; </p><p>Lanny</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[LTECpiano]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-02-26T13:02:11Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Combining two piano models.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>As I am running Pianoteq Pro on a Muse Receptor it was a simple matter to create two instances of Pianoteq (same midi channel etc).<br />I was curious to see how two piano models would sound simultaneously.<br />Honestly I expected some kind of phasing/chorus monstrosity …… I was wrong!</p><p>I layered my personal Blüthner program (my favourite model) over the Model B - which has many wonderful qualities also just to see what would happen.</p><p>The only range I didn&#039;t really like was the extreme low end, where a real piano has only one bass string per note. Despite carefully matching the tuning and intonation the multiple bass strings sounded unnatural. I opted eventually to exclude this key range from the Model B instance (again in Receptor it is simple to define the midi key range for each plugin).</p><p>Of course purists might be horrified, but for some it might be a nice tip as each different piano model has different advantages.</p><p>:-))) Now I have a &quot;Blütway&quot; and very nice it is too!</p><p>Pianoteq is just THE BEST!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Neil]]></name>
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			<updated>2016-02-25T10:36:13Z</updated>
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