Not sure if this old post by Philippe is still true. The default keymap is linear, and if you set first the diapason, then load a scala file the diapason is maintained correctly.
I tried the werck3.scl with first setting A=415 and it stays at A=415. You can change it afterwards also without problem. I'm using version 5.5.1.
As explained above the version that I have 4.5.5 behaves like this when I switched to microtuning mode to upload the Scala file "werck3.scl, the default keymap overruns this a=415 with the default 440 specified in the .kbm file so it plays with the Werkmeister III tuned to a=440
]]>No, I had not looked at this tab, I thought the diapason was automatically discovered...In any case it does make a difference since rerunning it with A=411Hz returned Vallotti as the correct tuning! I'm not surprised because afterwards, trying to play the prelude along with the recording, I found the Ab too flat with SixthCommaMeantone while Vallotti sounded much better. It is also known that the makers of Rondeau's harpsichord (Jonte Knif & Arno Pelto) seem to favor Vallotti in other circumstances than this CD, so no surprise really.
I must also say that I added the A=411Hz comment afterwards since at first I thought the standard A=415Hz was used. It's only while playing along with the piece that I noticed the difference. I can't upload the Rondeau example since it is a commercial recording, but you can sample it online here: http://www.deezer.com/artist/5368041
Thank you very much for the link.
I think I have found my answer....
I was trying different temperaments in Pianoteq (version 4.5.5) so when i used the built-in Werkmeister III Temperament in Grimaldi A it was playing in a=415 but when I switched to microtuning mode to upload the Scala file "werck3.scl, the default keymap overruns this a=415 with the default 440 specified in the .kbm file so it plays with the Werkmeister III tuned to a=440, as I understood from this post by Philippe Guillaume
The default keymap will map the first note (omitted in scala format) on middle C and put the A at 440Hz (thus the 12 notes above range from midi 61 (C#3) to 72 (C4)).
For other mappings, you will need to load also a kbm file, see for example
Gilles wrote:...
I then tried it with this piece that I have on CD : Jean Rondeau - Lute Suite No 2 In C Minor, Bwv 997 I Prelude
I like the tuning but it is not specified on the cover. The harpsichord is set at about A=411 Hz in this piece.The result was:
:temperament_0 a tm:SixthCommaMeantone ,
tm:Temperament ;
tm:description :description_00 ,
:description_01 .You did probably spot it but... just in case...TempEst comes with a=415 as default, but it can be changed with the Configure Tab
No, I had not looked at this tab, I thought the diapason was automatically discovered...In any case it does make a difference since rerunning it with A=411Hz returned Vallotti as the correct tuning! I'm not surprised because afterwards, trying to play the prelude along with the recording, I found the Ab too flat with SixthCommaMeantone while Vallotti sounded much better. It is also known that the makers of Rondeau's harpsichord (Jonte Knif & Arno Pelto) seem to favor Vallotti in other circumstances than this CD, so no surprise really.
I must also say that I added the A=411Hz comment afterwards since at first I thought the standard A=415Hz was used. It's only while playing along with the piece that I noticed the difference. I can't upload the Rondeau example since it is a commercial recording, but you can sample it online here: http://www.deezer.com/artist/5368041
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I then tried it with this piece that I have on CD : Jean Rondeau - Lute Suite No 2 In C Minor, Bwv 997 I Prelude
I like the tuning but it is not specified on the cover. The harpsichord is set at about A=411 Hz in this piece.The result was:
:temperament_0 a tm:SixthCommaMeantone ,
tm:Temperament ;
tm:description :description_00 ,
:description_01 .
You did probably spot it but... just in case...TempEst comes with a=415 as default, but it can be changed with the Configure Tab
:temperament_0 a tm:Temperament ,
tm:Valotti ;
tm:description :description_00 ,
:description_01 .
I then tried it with this piece that I have on CD : Jean Rondeau - Lute Suite No 2 In C Minor, Bwv 997 I Prelude
I like the tuning but it is not specified on the cover. The harpsichord is set at about A=411 Hz in this piece.
The result was:
:temperament_0 a tm:SixthCommaMeantone ,
tm:Temperament ;
tm:description :description_00 ,
:description_01 .
This tuning is available also for pianoteq and it sounds quite plausible when playing a pianoteq harpsichord.
A useful tool indeed...
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http://www.isophonics.net/sawa/tempest/
just upload an .mp3 or .wav file with a recorded solo piece played on a harpsichord with no other instruments, (YES harpsichord ONLY, NOT PIANO)
I am still trying to figure out how it works, according to this research paper, in its development they used the modeled Harpsichords from Pianoteq
The real harpsichord recordings were played by Dan
Tidhar on a Rubio double-manual harpsichord in a small
hall. The synthesized recordings were performed on a digital
keyboard by Dan Tidhar and rendered from MIDI files using
the physical modeling synthesis software Pianoteq (Pianoteq,
2010).
the version used was Pianoteq 3 see the acknowledgements section of Estimation of harpsichord inharmonicity and temperament from musical recordings
[h1]Trying out TempEst the Online tool for estimatings instrument tuning parameters[/h1]
But when trying to identify temperaments, I created a recording of the piece F.Couperin "Les baricades misterieuses" (Download midi file here using the scala file “werck3.scl” copied below:
! werck3.scl
!
Andreas Werckmeister's temperament III (the most famous one, 1681)
12
!
256/243
192.18000
32/27
390.22500
4/3
1024/729
696.09000
128/81
888.26999
16/9
1092.18000
2/1which can be downloaded here
http://www.huygens-fokker.org/docs/scales.zip
werck3.scl “Andreas Werckmeister's temperament III (the most famous one, 1681)”
and it was labeled as
rdfs:label """SixthCommaMeantone_shift""" ;and the closest sounding temperament I have been able to find on YouTube to this werck3.scl (with a=415) is this Elena Zhukova Video here:
which was labeled:
rdfs:label """Valotti_shift""" ;I then recorded the audio of the Youtube video version by claudio di Veroli:
Claudio di Veroli (Tuning: ordinaire (Rousseau) temperament)
and TempEst labeled it as
rdfs:label """FifthComma""" ;I found This other temperament in Buxtehude - Toccata in G - BuxWV 164- Christian Zell Harpsichord (Werckmeister III) also descrbed as a:
rdfs:label """FifthComma""" ;