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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=942075#p942075</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for your thoughtful advice. Perhaps a good addition would be a slider, &quot;color&quot;. To be able to alter the effect when necessary. Yet, in reality, if you play a note on the pedals at a speed of ~80 (MIDI velocity on the basis of sensations) and followed her at a speed of ~3-7 I find a greater change of tone color than it is implemented today in Pianoteq.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 07 Mar 2016 09:56:18 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941512#p941512</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yep.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (EvilDragon)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:19:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941510#p941510</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>At the damper pedal is raised - it facilitates weight keys, respectively, the same force pushing malleus give more energy. This is reflected in a Pianoteq?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (scherbakov.al)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2016 22:04:24 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941508#p941508</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>There are associated with the following observation of sensations. When played a few chords on the open pedal, all sounds and strings resonate, adding bass requires a little less force pushing for what he showed and sounded. Perhaps this psycho-physiological deception? Or is indeed present in the piano? Based on the experiences in Pianoteq bass should really play, while the piano can touch softer .. <br /><a href="https://soundcloud.com/bgwoxxxjmwom/bass">https://soundcloud.com/bgwoxxxjmwom/bass</a></p><p>Or game of repetitive chords crescendo pedal ..in Pianoteq need to &quot;put pressure&quot; and in paino think it took a little less effort for rocking sound ..<br /><a href="https://soundcloud.com/bgwoxxxjmwom/pedal-1">https://soundcloud.com/bgwoxxxjmwom/pedal-1</a><br />It may be the case in the speed of the curve?<br />This is a very minor differences, maybe I invented it, I do not know ..</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (scherbakov.al)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 05 Feb 2016 21:18:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941480#p941480</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>SteveLy, this effect is present in Pianoteq. But, as Philippe Guillaume said, its not consciously exaggerated that he had not been excessive. Perhaps, indeed, it sounded on the previous models is not enough true. For myself, I find it a bit small. Little bit.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (scherbakov.al)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 20:07:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941477#p941477</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Philippe Guillaume wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are some internal parameters to control this, but they are not available in the UI. We always tried to keep the UI reasonably simple and comprehensible, without overwhelming the user with too many parameters.</p></blockquote></div><p>Any chance some cluttered unreasonably full list of possible settings available in some future versions? Not that I that much insist I&#039;ll use them but anyway it&#039;s cool to have as much as possible available for control just in case.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (AKM)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 17:30:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941473#p941473</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>scherbakov.al wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>To create the examples I corrected parameter string length. To disharmony was similar .</p></blockquote></div><p>So you still can&#039;t get as much of that sparkle-effect as you want in Pianoteq?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (SteveLy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:31:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941470#p941470</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>SteveLy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;d still like to hear from scherbakov.al about the size of his Bechstein. My guess is that it&#039;s a smaller instrument than the Model B, hence the more pronounced &quot;sparkle&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>To create the examples I corrected parameter string length. To disharmony was similar .</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (scherbakov.al)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 14:01:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941469#p941469</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Philippe Guillaume wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are some internal parameters to control this, but they are not available in the UI. We always tried to keep the UI reasonably simple and comprehensible, without overhelming the user with too many parameters.</p></blockquote></div><p>Sounds like a good approach. (There are already some ~20000 parameters accessible in Ptq Pro. But the UI makes it easy to edit them.)</p><p>After having investigated further (as I tried to summarise in earlier posts), I think there is enough flexibility to the model, and the modelling of repeated strikes of already excited strings is very well done. I am in awe with what you and your small team have accomplished, and the way you run things at Modartt (it&#039;s clearly a labour of love for you guys). I very much look forward to future Modartt/Pianoteq developments.</p><p>I&#039;d still like to hear from scherbakov.al about the size of his Bechstein. My guess is that it&#039;s a smaller instrument than the Model B, hence the more pronounced &quot;sparkle&quot;.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (SteveLy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:39:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941468#p941468</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>SteveLy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That&#039;s very interesting and impressive that it&#039;s already implemented. Is there a way to increase the effect so it sounds more like scherbakov.al&#039;s first example?</p></blockquote></div><p>There are some internal parameters to control this, but they are not available in the UI. We always tried to keep the UI reasonably simple and comprehensible, without overhelming the user with too many parameters.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Philippe Guillaume)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 13:14:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941463#p941463</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for answers.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (scherbakov.al)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 11:32:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941461#p941461</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>scherbakov.al, FYI: I tried listening for this on our 6ft Kawai grand (which is a well maintained, regularly serviced instrument) and the effect is very comparable to what Pianoteq produces for a similar size instrument. So I think they&#039;ve got it pretty much right. (My apologies to Philippe and the rest of the team for assuming otherwise.)</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (SteveLy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 11:22:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941460#p941460</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>))) Including &quot;Mallet Bounce&quot; and teach Campanella Liszt) <br /><a href="https://soundcloud.com/bgwoxxxjmwom/liszt">https://soundcloud.com/bgwoxxxjmwom/liszt</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (scherbakov.al)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 11:16:07 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: repetitive note on the pedals. the hammer and the vibration of the str]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941458#p941458</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Actually with a bit of experimentation using the mallet bounce (all sliders to extreme left, except &quot;Initial delay&quot;), the repetition delay can be tuned to be in or out-of sync with the oscillation of certain strings to emphasise the effect.</p><p>@scherbakov.al You should try this. Set the Mallet Bounce Initial delay somewhere between 100 and 200 ms and then try it with different notes. On some notes the effect you demonstrate on the Bechstein will be quite pronounced, on some others, more suppressed (as one would expect depending on the relationship between repetition frequency and the note&#039;s fundamental frequency). You&#039;ll get an even stronger effect (more &quot;colour&quot; or &quot;sparkle&quot;) and less dependence on which note you&#039;re on if you reduce the string length. That&#039;s because the overtones will be have more anharmonicity and their phase cancellations/reinforcements with each strike of the hammer will be more chaotic. What size is the Bechstein you used for your first recording?</p><p>The only thing I find puzzling is why polyphony goes out of control with fast lossless Mallet bounce (even without any pedal or sympathetic resonance). It&#039;s a bit of a shame because some cool effects can be achieved.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>scherbakov.al wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I thought while listening to a live recording through headphones tool, this effect is lost in power. In Pianotek I found it a little weaker, but presence. He seemed a little bit hidden. I think this is an important means of expression when playing the piano.</p></blockquote></div><p>Try reducing the string length. Also experiment with the unison width and randomising the tuning a bit (e.g. using the condition slider). There are probably other things you can do but string length will likely be the most important factor. (Btw, I don&#039;t see this quality of the piano sound as a means of expression, since it&#039;s beyond the player&#039;s ability to control.)</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (SteveLy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 10:48:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=941456#p941456</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I thought while listening to a live recording through headphones tool, this effect is lost in power. In Pianotek I found it a little weaker, but presence. He seemed a little bit hidden. I think this is an important means of expression when playing the piano.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 04 Feb 2016 10:29:38 +0000</pubDate>
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