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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Never! Never, I say! <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p><p>Seriously, I &quot;switched&quot; to a Mac back in 2002, and it was one of the single best moves I have ever made for myself. Not just computer-wise, I&#039;m talking <em>life</em> wise. It really was a transformative experience for me. Not trying to proselytize or anything, it was just a great move for me as an individual, and I have no desire to &quot;go back,&quot; as it were.</p><p>I appreciated the humor in your post, though! Very nice. <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mark Williams]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-25T22:09:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry Mark, </p><p>I should have noticed you were on a Mac. Now, if you moved over to &#039;the dark side&#039; you&#039;d get all these cute little programs <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Michael H]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-25T15:34:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Michael H wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This software for scaling velocity works very well and is free: <a href="http://www.trombettworks.com/velocity.php">http://www.trombettworks.com/velocity.php</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Yeah, I saw that, too. Unfortunately for me, it&#039;s a Windows-only application. <i class="far fa-frown smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mark Williams]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-25T03:21:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This software for scaling velocity works very well and is free: <a href="http://www.trombettworks.com/velocity.php">http://www.trombettworks.com/velocity.php</a></p><p>I had a P60 for a while also, and I thought my piano sample software was all dull and lifeless (I&#039;m sounding like a hair commercial), but found out it was the P60&#039;s narrow velocity range when I played an M-audio keyboard that had velocity curves. It was quite a pleasant surprise to actually hear tonal variations that I hadn&#039;t even known were there.</p><p>As was said, if you really bang on the keyboard, it&#039;s less of a problem. But a lot of pianists just don&#039;t play that way. BTW, Yamaha&#039;s own acoustic piano sample sounds good velocity-wise on the P60, but not the other sounds. The electric pianos, for example, you have to bang to get any dynamics.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Michael H]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-24T22:14:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Excellent! Glad to hear it.<br />Unfortunately for me, it&#039;s not possible to change the P-60&#039;s velocity internally.&nbsp; But I am really glad to know the velocity problem does not extend to later keyboards, it appears.</p><p>In addition to software solutions like drawing the velocity curve in Pianoteq or in one&#039;s DAW (at least I know Logic and Cubase will let you do this), I also found this interesting piece of hardware that will change the velocity curve of your keyboard:<br /><a href="http://www.midisolutions.com/prodvel.htm">http://www.midisolutions.com/prodvel.htm</a></p><p>Seems a bit pricey to me, though.</p><p>And again, I&#039;m just including this stuff in case anyone else has similar issues with their keyboard controller. I hope it&#039;s helpful.</p><p>Cheers.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mark Williams]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-24T08:04:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I fixed my problem by reading the manual (lol go figure)!<br />I had to change the velocity from &quot;normal&quot; to &quot;hard&quot;, changed it back to &quot;normal&quot; and voila, I had maximum velocity of 127.</p><p>I was laughing hard.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[rdlom]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-23T10:41:47Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was having the same issue with my Studiologic.&nbsp; As I understand it (which isn&#039;t saying much, I&#039;ve only been taking lessons 6 months), the key needs to move faster, not harder.</p><p>If I pushed down on the key I was only able to get ~107 or so.&nbsp; If I pulled my finger back towards me while dropping it I was able to get 127.&nbsp; Kind of an upside down, backwards &quot;flick&quot;</p><p>I don&#039;t know how I&#039;d actually be able to play like that though...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2010-02-23T00:44:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Wow, so the Yamaha MIDI velocity problem is definitely more widespread, then. We should try to get a list going of which models are plagued with this, and when Yamaha got their act together. I&#039;m assuming the problem actually is solved now, but I guess I don&#039;t know that for sure.</p><p>When did they make the CLP-320? I&#039;m guessing it&#039;s been discontinued?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mark Williams]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-23T00:35:03Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I can second that using a Yamaha CLP 320. The maximum I ever was able to produce when literally SMASHING the keyboard was 107, even though my manual says &quot;transmitted&quot; &quot;127&quot;</p><p><a href="http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/cla/clp320_en_dl_a0.pdf">http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi..._dl_a0.pdf</a></p><p>Its quite pathetic</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[rdlom]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-23T00:19:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Sorry to dredge up an old thread, but just in case Nelson is still around, or just as importantly, if anyone is considering buying a Yamaha P-60, I wanted to share my experiences. The P-60 is obviously not in production anymore, but if anyone is thinking of picking up a used one somewhere, here&#039;s the story with it.</p><p>Nelson is right: the P-60 will not put out full scale MIDI velocities. The highest velocity I have ever been able to achieve is a 107, and that&#039;s through me banging a key so hard that I honestly thought either the keyboard or my finger would break. You can get pretty sensitive velocities at the lower end of the MIDI scale--I can even produce a 1--but the max you&#039;ll *ever* get in a real world playing situation is maybe 100, and that&#039;s when playing Brahms or something. Or playing in a rock situation. There is other information available online about this design flaw of the P-60, but there is apparently no fix. In regards to Cellomangler&#039;s comment, the P-60&#039;s user manual is simply incorrect on this.</p><p>Obviously, this behavior is totally unacceptable and renders expressive playing with Pianoteq very difficult. You&#039;ve got about 100 possible velocities instead of 127. Using the &quot;moderately slow keyboard&quot; velocity preset in Pianoteq and then logarithmically moving the control points to the left does yield a usable result, but it becomes difficult to control points in the mp and mf range, particularly, because the &quot;targets&quot; are so much smaller.</p><p>Anyways, I just wanted to report back to everybody here about this, just in case anyone is considering a purchase. I can&#039;t speak to the later models--the P-70, the P-90, etc, but from my research online, it seems that Yamaha may have corrected the problem after the P-60. It&#039;s a real shame. I actually like the action on my P-60. It&#039;s a little stiff, but overall, it&#039;s quite playable. But obviously the MIDI velocity situation makes this a poor choice for an instrument as expressive as our beloved Pianoteq.</p><p>Cheers to all.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mark Williams]]></name>
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			<updated>2010-02-22T23:51:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello, the Velocity meter in Pianoteq only indicates that it respond from 0 to 105, the P60 have a fault, please check this link: <a href="http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/archive/index.php/t-9543.html,">http://www.3daudioinc.com/3db/archive/i...9543.html,</a><br />search &quot;velocity&quot; and you can see this fault, but when I set the velocity curve in Pianoteq from 0 to 105 it responds to the maximun volume velocity, I have only the question... how better would be 0 to 127?, since it respond in &quot;steps&quot; (check the link before), I have been seen the Casio Privia PX-120 (it respond fine to all velocities), but the Yamaha P60 have Grade Hammer action Keyboard, better than a Casio I believe, thanks for you respond, Nelson.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-11-12T17:54:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>According to the manual for the P60 found here:<br /><a href="http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi/english/synth/P60E1.pdf">http://www2.yamaha.co.jp/manual/pdf/emi.../P60E1.pdf</a><br />This keyboard transmits and receives the full 0 to 127 velocity range.&nbsp; Of course, as a controller you are not interested so much in what the keyboard &quot;responds&quot; to but rather what it &quot;transmits&quot;.&nbsp; But according to specs, you shouldn&#039;t have a problem either way.&nbsp; What makes you believe it only &quot;responds&quot; to 1 to 105 ?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Cellomangler]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-11-11T23:19:36Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Pianoteq velocity respond using a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller.]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello, my name is Nelson, I have a Yamaha P-60 as midi controller, this electronic piano only respond to 1-105 for midi velocity, how is the best way to set the curve velocity for this ? (graph shape), or, is better if I set the Pianoteq to velocity normal (0-127) an then I use a software for&nbsp; modify the velocity (ie Velomaster), what do you think ?, I only find the best respond and touch to play my favorites classical pieces, thanks in advance.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-11-11T17:26:15Z</updated>
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