Modartt user forum - pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2019-03-31T02:38:25Z

Thanks, Amen & Scherbakov. I would have never figured that out without your help!

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2019-03-30T23:16:58Z

You control-click anywhere in the Detune window (above)!

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2019-03-30T21:29:41Z

Copy the settings into the buffer (along with the word "detune") and paste in this window:

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2019-03-30T17:41:41Z

I edited my first post in this thread to help better explain the steps that I took.

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2019-03-30T17:40:28Z

version 6 -- standard

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2019-03-30T17:18:18Z

drpaul09 wrote:

I am trying to play with the entropy tuning in pianoteq. How do you paste the detuning parameters into pianoteq? I clicked on the Mu and then the detune but I don't see a place to past the 88 detune values.
Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks

What version of Pianoteq do you have?

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2019-03-30T17:13:31Z

I am trying to play with the entropy tuning in pianoteq. How do you paste the detuning parameters into pianoteq? I clicked on the Mu and then the detune but I don't see a place to paste the 88 detune values.

I tried keyboard mapping > paste from clipboard but I get a message saying "cannot parse scala KBM text: Invalid keymap size at line 1.

Do I simply paste [-19, -14, .... , +3, 0, -5] ? Or do I need the "Detune = " at the beginning?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thanks

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2018-04-06T11:33:00Z

yes, easy piano tuner this is the best tuner I've tested. It is extremely simple, does not require interaction with the device in the process, tenacious, visual, sensitive, accurate, fast. Very good. And I'm happy with the result even on bad instruments.

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2016-02-09T17:35:41Z

Oh, sorry , hurry , I copied the Russian text, not in the English translator

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2016-02-09T14:13:09Z

Oooops! Message to the webmaster:

I tried to quote the russian post and it seems some characters where badly interpreted and some of the previous posts were deleted !!!
Could you please bring this thread back as it was before today 9:00.

I will also email you.

EDIT: Due to a temporary problem, I permanently destroyed my previous post where I compared entropy tuning and normal tuning for this short example:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...ntropy.mp3
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...normal.mp3

The problem should be fixed now

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2016-02-09T14:07:03Z

Thanks to Google Translate, I can answer you (or maybe I should answer in French and let you translate )

I used a very small portion of the 2009 performance of Piotr Rozanski from the Minnesota International Piano-e-Competition. The whole sonata is over 40 minutes long, you can download it if you want to hear it in its entirety, very good performance of this difficult piece. My goal was to choose a small portion to prove my point, not too long because the difference is subtle and memory for such comparison is short often needing repeated hearing to confirm an impression.

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2016-02-09T10:41:26Z

да, верно, под длинной инструмента я имел в виду длину струны. Зачем же так быстро оканчиваются ваши примеры? Такая превосходная соната..
* XXL - )))))))

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2016-02-06T20:09:02Z

Curiosity entropy tuner offers the option settings:
Detune = [-31, -27, -24, -18, -17, -15, -11, -12, -16, -17, -5, -6, -7, -8, -7, -5, -6, -4, -2, -2, -8, -2, -3, -2, -1, 0, -2, -2, -1, 0, 0, 0, -2, -1, -2, -1, 0, +1, -1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, -1, 0, 0, 0, 0, 0, -1, -2, +1, +1, +2, 0, -1, 0, 0, 0, +1, +2, +1, 0, 0, 0, +1, +1, +1, 0, 0, 0, 0, +2, +1, -1, -2, -1, 0, 0, -2, 0, 0, 0, 0, +3, 0, -5]
For model B with a long tool 2.11. Stretching octave set to 1.
And
Detune = [-19, -14, -14, -14, -14, -10, -6, -11, -11, -14, -10, -9, -9, -6, -7, -5, -8, -5, -7, -5, -10, -3, -3, -4, -2, -3, -1, 0, -1, -1, -1, -2, -2, -2, -3, -3, -1, +1, -3, -1, 0, -1, -1, 0, -1, 0, 0, 0, +1, 0, -2, -1, -2, -1, -1, 0, -1, -1, +1, 0, +1, +1, +1, 0, +1, 0, 0, 0, -1, 0, 0, 0, +2, +3, +2, 0, 0, -1, 0, 0, -1, -1, -2, -2, -3, -3, -6, -9]
For model B with a long tool 3.14. Stretching octave set to 1.

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2016-01-31T00:15:49Z

I think you guys would do well to check out "Tune-It!". I am a professional piano tuner and I use this program every time I tune. What I tell people is that I do a "digitally guided" tuning by ear, because I make my stretch tuning decisions based on what I see on the screen (the list of harmonics and the offset from the fundamental) and what I hear when striking each note and comparing it to others to guide my decision for each note as I tune. Remember that in the real world, acoustic pianos never have harmonics that line up with any "theoretical" proper tuning (octaves that are exactly double, unisons which line up perfectly for every note, etc.). The advantage with this program is that it lists the first 8 harmonics for each note and I have never seen any other program that does that. This way you can do 6/3 tuning in the bass notes and 4/2 and 2/1 tuning in the treble, however you choose to do it. 6/3 tuning refers to matching the 6th partial of one note to the 3rd partial of the same note an octave above (bass). 4/2 refers to matching the 4th partial to the 2nd partial, the same goes for 2/1 tuning (4/2 and 2/1 are for treble notes). Pianos are tuned by comparing notes to each other and this program will let you do that manually very easily. You would simply jot down whichever set of partials you are wanting to match and then adjust each note accordingly. Personally, I think Pianoteq has beautiful tuning and I've not seen any need to play around with it, but I'm not an advanced pianist either, so you may have tuning and musical ideas that I'm not aware of. But give it a try, with Tune-It!, if you want to tune "pure" fifths or "pure" thirds, etc., you can do that easily, like I say by noting the partials you want to pair up and then adjusting the tuning of the fundamental accordingly. You can download a demo that is good for 30 days, or just buy it for $10.00. I don't use the expensive piano tuning programs, such as TuneLab, I started with Tune-It! and it's an amazing simple program that will give you all the information you need. I am going to check out Entropy tuner though, it seems to be an open source variation of TuneLab which is about $300.00. You can go to the website for Tune-It! here: http://www.tune-it.com.au/ Like I say, be sure to look at the harmonics screen as stated above. You can use this program on Windows, Android or Linux (under Wine).

Re: pianoteq and entropy tuner ?!

2016-01-30T17:43:28Z

scherbakov.al wrote:

The result that I got from the tuner entropy differed little from how to build a Pianoteq by default.

I understand. I'd consider this a validation of the tuners capabilities.

I can also imagine that Pianoteq could serve as a nice playground: It should easily be possible to engineer stronger inharmonicities into a Pianoteq instrument and subsequently tune it with the entropy tuner.

Anyhow, there are already a lot of instruments in PT and in principle the process of recording notes ist obsolete if there was an interface between the two programs. Therefore it should be possible to automatically tune all instruments from within PT by using ET.