Modartt user forum - Acoustic guitar sound

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-19T10:04:17Z

My nemesis is a nice willowy sounding flute for intro in some of my work or even fill lines here and there. I pick apart all I've tried so far, too much overblow, too airy, not hollow enough etc etc. I like that old Native American sound of something like maybe an E Flute or what ever and I can build composition around it.. I haven't really found that.

I agree, guitar is tough to emulate.

I had to go away from home yesterday so have not researched much yet the two or three programs you guys suggested yesterday for virtual instruments beyond Mixcraft.

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-19T01:22:50Z

...and they are Quebecois mon ami as you may already know

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-19T01:20:35Z

True but try the GS-2 demo, comprehensive intuitive editing that addresses many of the facets you mention, of course each has the "Learn MIDI Assignment" feature as well so with a proper controller and a LOT of practice... well, GS-2 is very nice

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-19T01:16:18Z

Oh, and i forgot a few of the most important: distance of pick/nail attack from the bridge - and pickup(s) in the case of electric - very big impact on sound, angle (not vertical but sideways) of pick attack to string - listen to any early Megadeth album for great examples of this put to good use - then we have, speed of pick/nail as it hits the string(s), flexibility of said pick/nail, ........ i'm sure i'll think of other factors, but i'll try my best not to flood this thread sorry!

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-19T01:07:08Z

Guitar is probably one of the most difficult instruments to "emulate" via a computer based plugin.... the reason is simple: Both the player's hands are in direct contact with the actual, vibrating strings.

This creates a literally endless array of parameters, or "options" that the player has at his disposal. Not even considering such "extended" techniques such as slides, bending, (so-called "natural" or "artificial") harmonics, etc etc.... you have to take into consideration, on a per-note basis, of such factors as: angle of fingernail/pick attack onto the string, which will NEVER be consistent from one note to the next, no matter how "good" the guitarist is. Different degrees and intensities of palm-muting: this one i didn't mention in the above list of "extended" techniques because it's just infinite: multiply the number of possible palm muting positions by the number of possible palm-muting intensities, and already you have a very, very vast array of stuff you have to cover here. And the list goes on.... spicatto, rest strokes, free strums, which all sound different, the aforementioned nail / pick angle -multiplied by- depth of nail / pick attack onto string, and (in case of classical guitar) length of nails - yes, this DOES give a very different sound, the ratio of nails to fingertip hitting each string has a great impact .......... and we're just scratching (hehe) the surface

True, in the case of electric guitar, much of this is "drowned" or lost, as more distortion is used... BUT:

With even the best, ideal well tuned-up piano, there's only (by pianoteq standards) 127 ways you can play a single note. (ok, to be fair - without counting note-off velocity) But midi doesn't even come close to considering all the parameters you'd need to realistically reproduce any kind of guitar sound. There's just too much to take into consideration - midi wasn't designed for this.

And (in my personal opinion) violin and such stringed instruments aren't very far behind - since only one hand is in direct contact with the strings: the bowing hand however, still has several parameters at its disposal.

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-19T00:40:43Z

AAS do some nice modeling on a number of fronts; I have their entire collection and recently upgraded Strum GS-2:

https://www.applied-acoustics.com/strum-gs-2/

Videos are good but download the demo, a joy to play

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-17T15:35:35Z

It's here:

https://www.pianoteq.com/legacy

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-17T13:50:00Z

Beto-Music wrote:

The Klaus P. Rausch sound design collection have a model similar to a guitar.

Seems this collection is no more available...
https://www.pianoteq.com/klausprausch go to the main pianoteq webpage

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-17T00:54:00Z

Thank you for your reply. I will look that up

Re: Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-16T13:48:06Z

The Klaus P. Rausch sound design collection have a model similar to a guitar.

Acoustic guitar sound

2015-06-16T11:54:31Z

As a failed guitarist over 40 years, and an avid Baroque fan, and a newcomer to Pianoteq, would it be possible to include the guitar sound on piano