delt wrote:

Hint: Layering multiple instances of Pianoteq opens up an endless universe of possibilities.

How can I do that? When I open second instance of Pianoteq it doesn't receive MIDI signals from my keyboard, just the first one.

I use Renoise. It runs on linux, mac/osx, and yeah on w**dows too. The demo version has a few limitations, but nothing that can hinder layering multiple VST's in one session. You can then save the project and when you open it, you don't need to re-configure all your instances of pianoteq again, that gets saved in the project file. If you have multiple keyboards, you can route and assign midi signals to whatever instruments/tracks you want, that's useful for say, organ and harpsichord where each keyboard plays a different role and triggers different instances/instruments. Once you've setup everything the way you want, you just save your project, and when you load it again everything works the way it did when you saved it.

Personally i find you get an excellent stereo field when puting one instance around 75% left with the "duophonic" mic setup, and one instance around 75% right with the AB or BA mic setup. then you can play with different instruments and parameters in each, for ex. different settings for the reverb sound excellent. Just make sure you use the same tuning settings in both instances if you don't want a slight "honky tonk" chorus effect

How can I do that? When I open second instance of Pianoteq it doesn't receive MIDI signals from my keyboard, just the first one.

We can use a DAW (Reaper or others) with two tracks associated to a dedicated instance of Pianoteq and receiving events from the same MIDI device.

Hi everyone

Conserning topic fxp-Roland V-piano. - Every now and then, people are comparing Ptq with a real Grand piano or sampled pianos, and trying to get Ptq sound like them. I think that is a good thing, interesting, exciting. Last year it was Joe Hisaishi ”Friends” on Grand piano( very well done tweaking by forumreaders to imitate the same reverb and sound in that youtubevideo). Now Roland sampled sounds, and waiting for, when one can not say if it is Ptq or Roland. I think someone out there can do it. The learning curve, in how to get the best sounds from Pianoteq is, however, never-ending, (among other things its about personal taste). Been playing for 60 years, I still look at myself as an amateur/pianoteqenthusiast, but I have got some experience about sampled sounds, (have had 6 different Rolands, one Korg) and do not like them anymore. Ptq give possibilities – ptq is the future, already here. But, I think there could  be almost as many opinions as there are members in this forum, about imitating other sounds with Ptq. And, coming to the first topic, fxp request in this thread  - it could be nice if those people who imitated Hisaishis ”Friends” so well, or someone else skilful, try to imitate Roland V-piano. Ptq make improvements all the time. Just to show how close Ptq can come. For people that are good at tweaking Ptq, almost anything is possible. So, go on striving!  (By the way, after months of striving with Hisaishis ”Friends” with my Ptq Standard Bluthner, I finally somewhat learned that piece, some notes missing though.....) Thanks to Modartt and Pianoteq, I am now a better amateur than I used to be.

Kind regards

Yes, I think some of the members here can do that that's why I put a $50 bounty, maybe that's just not enough. So far only Joe posted some configurations, but that's not quite it, though I am thankful for his time.

Naturally I don't have 6000$ for new v-piano, that's why I bought pianoteq. After using it for a while I can hear that high tones are too dry and low ones aren't that much deep - however I found some FXP that when you play soft on low registers the sound is really good, deep, but when you hit your keys harder that deep goes away and you're left with bright metallic tone (bass is gone). I bought also U4 uprights and they have also really dry tones.

I hope Modartt won't stop developing pianoteq, because they are really close, but there are still some "issues" that should be addressed ( I know it isn't as easy as fixing some bugs in a software ).

How can I do that? When I open second instance of Pianoteq it doesn't receive MIDI signals from my keyboard, just the first one.

Conserning topic fxp-Roland V-piano. - Every now and then, people are comparing Ptq with a real Grand piano or sampled pianos, and trying to get Ptq sound like them. I think that is a good thing, interesting, exciting. Last year it was Joe Hisaishi ”Friends” on Grand piano( very well done tweaking by forumreaders to imitate the same reverb and sound in that youtubevideo). Now Roland sampled sounds, and waiting for, when one can not say if it is Ptq or Roland. I think someone out there can do it. The learning curve, in how to get the best sounds from Pianoteq is, however, never-ending, (among other things its about personal taste). Been playing for 60 years, I still look at myself as an amateur/pianoteqenthusiast, but I have got some experience about sampled sounds, (have had 6 different Rolands, one Korg) and do not like them anymore. Ptq give possibilities – ptq is the future, already here. But, I think there could  be almost as many opinions as there are members in this forum, about imitating other sounds with Ptq. And, coming to the first topic, fxp request in this thread  - it could be nice if those people who imitated Hisaishis ”Friends” so well, or someone else skilful, try to imitate Roland V-piano. Ptq make improvements all the time. Just to show how close Ptq can come. For people that are good at tweaking Ptq, almost anything is possible. So, go on striving!  (By the way, after months of striving with Hisaishis ”Friends” with my Ptq Standard Bluthner, I finally somewhat learned that piece, some notes missing though.....) Thanks to Modartt and Pianoteq, I am now a better amateur than I used to be.

Kind regards

Hint: Layering multiple instances of Pianoteq opens up an endless universe of possibilities.

Really, it does. Lately i've been futzing around a bit with layering & panning different instances of pianoteq... Now i'm running the stand-alone (just one instance) and to my ears it just sounds kind of.... dunno, like almost mono.

I mentioned this a few times before, but i'll mention it again: the stereo field - especially in the lower and lower-mid range - is something Modartt needs to work on in Pianoteq. Actually i think this is the only aspect in which some sampled pianos (both hard/firmware and software) even beat pianoteq.

* Or, include some good miking presets along with the program - i've tried everything i could think of, still can't nail it!!

Probably because you are bsed with old, very aged, ivory Keys from a old upright.

Err, keys on my upright were all spruced up and are up to the modern standards. Besides, it's not like I didn't play any other pianos - I know how the keys feel on them... It's just that the texture of V-Piano keys didn't appeal to me. That's all.

Last time I got half-interested in a new instrument (to replace the V-Piano) was with the Yamaha NU1, but after playing it for a while, that interest quickly waned. I'm going to stick with the V and use it mostly, as I have been doing, as (very good) keyboard to trigger Pianoteq or sample libraries with.

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I tested too NU1 and similarly I wasn't impressed. I felt this action was lacking full velocity range: it went to near ff but somewhere there it could not give those higher velocities. We must also know that NU1 has upright action while most of us want more grand-like action. I went to buy Kawai CS-7 instead.

If I had money and space in my living room, I'd probably get Yamaha Avantgrand N3 instead of V-piano Grand. In general after V-pianos release (2007?) those hybrid solutions - sample engine but having all kinds of customizing stuff like resonances, touch, voicing, tunings etc. - have improved hugely and in my opinion these are better solutions than V-piano for example.

With my Kawai CS-7 in my practise room I sometimes play with PTQ but more often I use its own piano engine. I cannot say which is better - they are just different - but for practising I prefer Kawai. Playing feeling and response is more close to my idea of playing real grand..

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Probably because you are used with old, very aged, ivory Keys from a old pright.

Last time I got half-interested in a new instrument (to replace the V-Piano) was with the Yamaha NU1, but after playing it for a while, that interest quickly waned. I'm going to stick with the V and use it mostly, as I have been doing, as (very good) keyboard to trigger Pianoteq or sample libraries with.

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It may be logic to supose that Roland hadn't a faithfull return, or a good return, of the investment they did in V-Piano (...).

I would have thought it to be far more logical — and, eventually, pecuniary rewarding as well — to simply keep working on the thing and try to improve it at whatever rate they consider economically justifiable. After all, most of the (hard) work has been done already, and it’s not as if the V-Piano, as a modeled recreation of a grand piano, is all that wide off the mark. It’s actually a pretty amazing achievement, save for a few disappointing areas in both of its core models and, like Ecaroh said, indeed an overal hint of Roland-esque plasticness in its timbre. Nothing, I think, that a few more years of focused and loving work couldn’t solve (or at least bring down to a much more acceptable level).

If I were on the team that developed the V-Piano, I’d be terribly frustrated at not being allowed to complete my work.

Then again, I don’t understand the first thing about economics and big businesses, so maybe Roland made the right decision anyway in abandoning the V-Piano. Shame though.

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Perhaps the consumers did not got impressed enough with the product's new technology, to pay for the higher price.

Well, that's how the market is.. if a new idea, new aprouch, product,don't get money, they put it by side.

Pianoteq depends of market return, but also have a deep pashion of his creator (also owner of the company), and flexibility of a very and easilly upgradable product.  That's why pianoteq keeping going as number 1 modelled piano.

The V-Piano is however capable of something which is still rather difficult to create with Pianoteq, and that’s a very dry, punchy, snappy, in-your-face immediacy (the sort of timbre which I associate with players like Corea, Brubeck and Duke). That type of thing comes very easy to the V-Piano and, to my ears, still finds Pianoteq a bit struggling. And I think an unbiased ear would also have to agree that the bottom octaves of the V-Piano are very well done: big, noble, majestic. (And can be edited to sound much more resonant then they do in this example, which uses the default preset settings.)
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Very well said. PTQ has improved hugely over the last years when V-piano has sadly left to its original state. This is a big shame from Roland which did a great job to introduce the first completely modelled hardware piano and they are still selling it. So IMO PTQ has gotten closer to those Corea (etc.) -like sounds which has been difficult to its model since very beginning. I remember well the debate about Corea-like piano sound on this forum on 2009 and I believe Modartt has really been trying to nail this kind of piano sound as well. There's still much to improve and I believe that qualities like "a very dry, punchy, snappy, in-your-face immediacy" and "majestic bottom", like Piet nicely put, make the main difference and these are qualities that so many new PTQ users find lacking.

I was fortunate to play and listen to V-piano quite resently. Last time was perhaps around 2009 or so. To my ears it sounds powerful but same time somehow "plastic". Somebody might call it synthetic. I might also call it "rolandish" cause this plastic quality is there in all Rolland's pianos. I don't know what they do to process the sound even, but maybe this process takes out some natural woodiness or whatever.

If PTQ can someday finally nail this Corea-sound, I think then it's "there". Then you have all the variety to choose from: from distant, soft, mellow sounds to crystal clear, punchy, powerful close miced sounds and everything between...