Take this 1959 film about Glenn Gould trying to find a piano he likes, and a chair.
Everything it's so rough... They took clients to a basement or sort of thing, quite ugly room, and the pianos sounds heavy, rough, a bit like a fortepiano from 1800's something... The salesman appears a mix of a comedian with used car seller.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=15BAagfdZ8c&t=48s
It's not just the pianos tunned to live performance of recordings that was rough in sound. In other video even Glen's piano sounds rough. Not bad I must make if clear, but rough/heavy compared to a modern Steinway. Also today they got an ultra clean polishec look, from the wood to the keyboard and harp, like it was in a jewelry.
I wonder if would be a good idea if pianoteq could have a option from the good old days era, with a tunning & voicing to emulate this old days sound style.
Anyway Gould's request could be directed to Ellon Musk, to create a piano that goes by itself.
Just to see Glenn laughing loud of a joke made this video worth to watch :-)
Yes, I have known about PianoVerb for some time but never got around to trying it. It might just be that special 'something' I'm looking for. Just discovered that the basic version is free, so now I have no excuse!
Been playing with Pianoteq and PianoVerb just now. It helps with chord resonances too. Enjoy the freebie version. It's very good. I had the freebie for sometime before I bought the paid version and the freebie is very, very good. Just not as adjustable as the paid one. But to be honest I don't adjust the paid one. I just use default setting and dial down the modulation wheel to zero as I don't want a wah wah piano.
Warmest regards,
Chris
]]>Warmest regards,
Chris
]]>Now I have made the changes Philippe suggests, on my demo song with K2, as I did a week ago. I think I got more warmth and softness in the music, regardless of which chords I use.
For those who are new to the forum, we must remember that K2 "is not based on any specific model but created from scratch by the Modartt virtual piano factory, combining the best elements of several source pianos".
As a new piano not modelled from a Grand piano, I think it has brilliance and clarity and I can use it as an all-round instrument. Have now tested rag time, Bach and my own small compositions and got used to this sound. An excellent instrument to complement the other Pianoteq sounds. Using always headphones, neighbors you know.
Well, that’s what I think about it. Have been on board since 2013 and rediscovered the piano! Nice
Best wishes
Stig
Pianoteqenthusiast, Organteqenthusiast, Harpteqenthusiast, Harpsichordteqenthusiast
]]>Yes, I know what you're getting at, Ross.
Ross wrote than seven years ago!
]]>So after all these years, it is still the same and that leads me to believe that it's just the way it is as far as modeling goes. Right?
By the way, I got the Stage version so I can't change those parameters mentioned in other replies.
]]>You gotta record your ideal acoustic piano playing those same chords to really have any type of comparison.
I have no acoustic grand, but Steve Kk made a great comparison. Listen for example, at 0:41-0:54, 1:18-1:34. It's more noticeble in chords, especially in lower range: acoustic grand produce more full and rich sound, more brilliant (but not in such way as after increasing hammer hardness). Pianoteq, in contrast produce more... hmm... "flat" sound. It's like "limited" by something. It's not depend on pianoteq's model.
Philippe, yes, if I make piano not so perfect (random detuning, radnom volume, condition), then it makes chords not so flat, but it's still mainly sounds "pianotequish".
Maybe randomizing anther parameters (hammer hardness, unison width, etc.) stoves the problem, but I haven't Pro version to check it.
It's all my IMHO. Maybe I have wrong ear. Sorry for that.
]]>push slightly to the right the condition slider. That makes the sound less "perfect", as if the piano was not very freshly tuned (all Pianoteq version),
detune slightly a few notes to obtain beatings in fifths, fourths and octaves that are a bit faster than usual. See "Detune notes" in the Diapason menu (Standard and PRO versions),
increase slightly the unison width, to have beatings on single notes.