<?xml version="1.0" encoding="utf-8"?>
<feed xmlns="http://www.w3.org/2005/Atom">
	<title type="html"><![CDATA[Modartt user forum - Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
	<link rel="self" href="https://forum.modartt.com/extern.php?action=feed&amp;tid=3672&amp;type=atom"/>
	<updated>2015-05-24T08:29:03Z</updated>
	<generator>PunBB</generator>
	<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=3672</id>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=938230#p938230"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s very interesting (for confirmed pianists, not for me <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i> )! Thank you.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[stamkorg]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=3941</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-05-24T08:29:03Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=938230#p938230</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=938228#p938228"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m late to the party, but I&#039;d just like to thank the development team for responding to my initial request! The new version is great. I used some Pianoteq goodness in <a href="https://youtu.be/z7gnBRsaJ-0">another video on the sostenuto pedal</a>, but to get the independent sostenuto effect I needed to <a href="http://cincinnatinote.blogspot.com/2015/03/constructing-virtual-midi-sostenuto.html">hack my MIDI data in Pure Data</a>. With Pianoteq 5.2 the process <a href="http://cincinnatinote.blogspot.com/2015/05/updated-new-midi-sostenuto-pedal.html">becomes much simpler</a>. I&#039;ll have to try it out in future videos...</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[edwardneeman]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=4300</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-05-24T04:01:11Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=938228#p938228</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=938175#p938175"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Interesting from several points of view.</p><p>While either behavior is irrelevant to MY level of playing and musicianship I see parallels in other fields.</p><p>Bug for bug backward compatibility&nbsp; vs&nbsp; implementation dependent behaviors <br />(olde tyme computer hardware designer speak)</p><p>That this can be implemented to behave either way in a MODELED piano is also worth noting.<br />Presumably this would be a major hack if it could be done at all in a sample library, i.e. some elaborate and probably unsatisfactory post processing tricks.</p><p>Anyway, it looks like the team responded well again.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[aandrmusic]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=1347</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-05-18T21:49:11Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=938175#p938175</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=937984#p937984"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This is why PIANOTEQ is truly the Queen/King of the piano VSTs in my estimation. It&#039;s not just a website peddling a sampled grand. It&#039;s a community of musicians in which ideas flow back and forth between the community and product development. There is nothing to match this in the world of sampled piano VSTs that I am aware of.&nbsp; </p><p>Kudos to MODARTT!</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[twl]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=2552</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-04-22T22:37:38Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=937984#p937984</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=937954#p937954"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Version 5.2.0 has been released right now, and includes in particular a new feature for the sostenuto pedal: if you right click on the sostenuto pedal, you will see a new check box &quot;Ignore the sustain pedal&quot; which, when checked, does exactly what it says. We hope you will enjoy producing nice sostenuto notes triggered at a moment when the sustain pedal was depressed! <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Philippe Guillaume]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=5</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2015-04-21T12:44:01Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=937954#p937954</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936212#p936212"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting and instructive post, Edward! The video is very well presented. And you sound like a bad mf on the piano.</p><p>Many thanks,<br />Jan</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Pianophile]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=95</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-30T17:09:29Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936212#p936212</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936196#p936196"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That slider could be in the right-click menu of the sostenuto pedal.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[EvilDragon]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=618</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-29T13:39:21Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936196#p936196</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936192#p936192"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>edwardneeman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For myself, I would prefer if the sostenuto pedal always worked independently from the damper pedal. I can&#039;t think of a performance or recording situation where you would <em>want</em> to catch all the dampers up on the sostenuto. On the other hand, it does make sense that a classical pianist who was using Pianoteq as a practice instrument in preparation for playing an acoustic piano might want the pedals to be faithful to the acoustic mechanism, flaws and all.</p><p>So, in the end I would cast my vote with the other replies in favor of a user option.</p><p>As AKM points out, a more accurate representation of the acoustic mechanism would allow the sostenuto pedal to work correctly if the damper pedal is only halfway down. Last I checked, Pianoteq catches all the dampers on the sostenuto pedal if the damper pedal is pressed at all. The &quot;ideal&quot; solution (though not one that I would need) might be to have a slider instead of a checkbox, so the user can customize at what depth the damper pedal will interfere with the sostenuto pedal. For example, if the slider was at .60, the sostenuto pedal would only catch all the dampers if the damper pedal was depressed to .61 or above.</p><p>I&#039;m not sure if anyone would want something like that, but I thought I&#039;d put it out there.</p><p>And thanks for the welcome Phillippe! <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>Glad to have you onboard <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i>. Your suggestion of an &quot;ideal&quot; solution looks definitely interesting, we will study its feasibility. Thanks again!</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[Philippe Guillaume]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=5</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-29T08:24:16Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936192#p936192</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936188#p936188"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>edwardneeman wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>For myself, I would prefer if the sostenuto pedal always worked independently from the damper pedal. I can&#039;t think of a performance or recording situation where you would <em>want</em> to catch all the dampers up on the sostenuto. On the other hand, it does make sense that a classical pianist who was using Pianoteq as a practice instrument in preparation for playing an acoustic piano might want the pedals to be faithful to the acoustic mechanism, flaws and all.</p><p>So, in the end I would cast my vote with the other replies in favor of a user option.</p><p>As AKM points out, a more accurate representation of the acoustic mechanism would allow the sostenuto pedal to work correctly if the damper pedal is only halfway down. Last I checked, Pianoteq catches all the dampers on the sostenuto pedal if the damper pedal is pressed at all. The &quot;ideal&quot; solution (though not one that I would need) might be to have a slider instead of a checkbox, so the user can customize at what depth the damper pedal will interfere with the sostenuto pedal. For example, if the slider was at .60, the sostenuto pedal would only catch all the dampers if the damper pedal was depressed to .61 or above.</p><p>I&#039;m not sure if anyone would want something like that, but I thought I&#039;d put it out there.</p><p>And thanks for the welcome Phillippe! <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>You have to have a hardware pedal that could actually control the dampers on a variable basis.&nbsp; I guess there are a few around, but not many.&nbsp; That&#039;s for sure.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[GRB]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=4233</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-29T03:18:39Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936188#p936188</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936185#p936185"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s the most-accommodating proposal yet. Where to tuck it&#039;s the next question, and an opportunity offers about the small drop-arrow leftmost and bottom-most in the GUI, currently used as a simple toggler for the keyboard toy. Extend its purpose to toggling between the toy and its equivalent empty space. </p><p>Now, the Damper controls are accessed via the ACTION button (rightward&nbsp; and low), where they show in a window falling down from that button&#039;s position, and they are all sliders. Well here&#039;s another Damper control, a slider, that can be placed in the empty space toggled into. As well, it can be placed in a windowlet just as wide and perfectly below the (vertically-longer) ACTION windowlet, so with both windowlets always toggled together by the ACTION button, and this new little Sostenuto Control windowlet elegantly aligned below it, you have yourself matches in function, in position and in access.</p><p>Top with a tooltip like all the other ACTION sliders, and it&#039;s a pretty systematic whole. Doesn&#039;t much disturb existing symmetries about the place, either.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[custral]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=1544</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-29T00:51:18Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936185#p936185</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936182#p936182"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For myself, I would prefer if the sostenuto pedal always worked independently from the damper pedal. I can&#039;t think of a performance or recording situation where you would <em>want</em> to catch all the dampers up on the sostenuto. On the other hand, it does make sense that a classical pianist who was using Pianoteq as a practice instrument in preparation for playing an acoustic piano might want the pedals to be faithful to the acoustic mechanism, flaws and all.</p><p>So, in the end I would cast my vote with the other replies in favor of a user option.</p><p>As AKM points out, a more accurate representation of the acoustic mechanism would allow the sostenuto pedal to work correctly if the damper pedal is only halfway down. Last I checked, Pianoteq catches all the dampers on the sostenuto pedal if the damper pedal is pressed at all. The &quot;ideal&quot; solution (though not one that I would need) might be to have a slider instead of a checkbox, so the user can customize at what depth the damper pedal will interfere with the sostenuto pedal. For example, if the slider was at .60, the sostenuto pedal would only catch all the dampers if the damper pedal was depressed to .61 or above.</p><p>I&#039;m not sure if anyone would want something like that, but I thought I&#039;d put it out there.</p><p>And thanks for the welcome Phillippe! <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[edwardneeman]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=4300</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-28T22:50:16Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936182#p936182</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936181#p936181"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Ha! I was just this week caught out by this. I vote for a user Option.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[hyper.real]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=75</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-28T22:25:27Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936181#p936181</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936177#p936177"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I say add a checkbox in the Options for this behaviour <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>I agree, particularly when these pedals work differently on different acoustic pianos.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[GRB]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=4233</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-28T21:00:39Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936177#p936177</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936172#p936172"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I say add a checkbox in the Options for this behaviour <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[EvilDragon]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=618</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-28T19:25:51Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936172#p936172</id>
		</entry>
		<entry>
			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Interaction between the sustain and sostenuto pedals]]></title>
			<link rel="alternate" href="https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936170#p936170"/>
			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting. For a simple vote I&#039;ll choose, yes, independant from the damper pedal. Considering myself a classical pianist I was never able to really USE the sostenuto pedal ever in my life because all the the practice pianos does not have it, and also my current electronic setup does not includes it right now but I&#039;m sure interested to give it a serious use later, at least I plan to. I was able to try it once on the digital piano and its behaviour slightly disappointed me because it did not behave exactly as I expected - right because of that dependency issue. So yes, I vote for the independent. Though it would be nice to see the optional switch it the preferences. Also if the mentioned half-pedal technique from the real world could be implemented that would be cool also.</p>]]></content>
			<author>
				<name><![CDATA[AKM]]></name>
				<uri>https://forum.modartt.com/profile.php?id=4253</uri>
			</author>
			<updated>2014-11-28T19:14:27Z</updated>
			<id>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=936170#p936170</id>
		</entry>
</feed>
