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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Stage demo - sound & calibration issues]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TX-Bluebonnet wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1) I didn&#039;t even notice this slider. It was set to the default zero. I moved it up to 7 and that helped. But does increasing this volume distort the sound at all?</p><p>2) No, just trying to output through my expternal computer speakers. As far as I know there isn&#039;t an audio in on the PX850, just 2 audio outs for dual headphone listening. Right now I have the keyboard connected to the computer via the midi/usb cable, and the local volume toggled off, so the volume control on the PX850 is out of the picture at this point... correct? I admit I&#039;m not exactly sure what I&#039;m doing.</p><p>3) I&#039;d say it&#039;s similar, but it&#039;s so hard to compare because only one or the other can be on at one time. For example, if I have Pianoteq running then I can&#039;t hear sounds from anything else. When I close out Pianoteq then I have to reload pages and/or browsers in order to reactivate the sound in Youtube, etc. During all this checking I don&#039;t know what happened but I can no longer hear Netflix on Firefox, though Youtube seems ok. I can hear sound from Netflix on Internet Explorer, though it&#039;s at a lower volume. Kinda frustrating.</p><p>. . . <br />As for &quot;all the playback sliders&quot;, I&#039;m not sure because I don&#039;t understand my sound card setup. In my playback device list I have 2 &quot;ready&quot; and a 3rd as default device, as follows:</p><p>Acer H236HL-4: NVIDIA High Definition Audio (Ready w/volume all the way up)<br />Realtek Digital Output: Realtek High Definition Audio (Ready w/volume all the way up)<br />Speakers: Realtek High Defnintion Audio (Default Device w/volume part way up or else too loud)</p><p>Pianoteq devices set as follows:<br />Active MIDI inputs: Casio USB-MIDI<br />Audio device type: ASIO<br />Device: ASIO4ALL v2 (<strong>There&#039;s a test button next to this, but nothing happens when I press it.</strong>) <br />Active output channels: HD audio output 1 selected (all the others unchecked)<br />Sample rate: 44100 Hz<br />Audio buffer size: 512 samples (11.6 ms)<br />. . .</p></blockquote></div><p>1.&nbsp; Watch the volume level on the bar just above that&quot;volume&quot; slider.&nbsp; If it &quot;goes into the red&quot; when you&#039;re playing, you&#039;re over-driving the soundcard, and the sound _will_ distort.&nbsp; [If I have mine at +7 dB, it _does_ distort with reasonably heavy playing.]</p><p>2.&nbsp; I think you&#039;re right about this.</p><p>3.&nbsp; You are in the Twilight Zone, here.&nbsp; It seems that Pianoteq (or the ASIO4ALL driver) is &quot;forgetting&quot; to reset some parameters to their pre-Pianoteq values.&nbsp; </p><p>One way to work around this is to get a second soundcard, and use it for Pianoteq (and _only_ Pianoteq).&nbsp; That&#039;s not hard to do, and you can get USB-driven soundcards for anywhere from $5 up (and up, and up . . .).&nbsp; The name for a fancy soundcard is &quot;external audio interface&quot;.</p><p>If you want to go that route, we can suggest some reasonably-priced alternatives.</p><p>4.&nbsp; The Pianoteq settings all look OK.&nbsp; I&#039;m not able to say much about the rest -- too much difference computer-to-computer, and operating system-to-operating system.</p><p>If _I_ press the ASIO4ALL &quot;test&quot; button (that&#039;s in Pianoteq&#039;s &quot;Audio/MIDI Setup&quot; window), I get a loud single tone in my headphones.&nbsp; </p><p>. . . So something is peculiar about your setup.</p><p>This is the ultimate refuge for things we don&#039;t understand:</p><p>. . . Try re-loading the ASIO4ALL driver.</p><p>It sounds like things are getting better, but aren&#039;t &quot;good&quot; yet.</p><p>.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Charles</p><p>PS -- now I have to get back to memorizing lyrics in 7 languages for a Christmas choral concert.&nbsp; Yuck!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 09 Nov 2014 06:51:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi Charles and Ian,</p><p>1) I didn&#039;t even notice this slider. It was set to the default zero. I moved it up to 7 and that helped. But does increasing this volume distort the sound at all?</p><p>2) No, just trying to output through my expternal computer speakers. As far as I know there isn&#039;t an audio in on the PX850, just 2 audio outs for dual headphone listening. Right now I have the keyboard connected to the computer via the midi/usb cable, and the local volume toggled off, so the volume control on the PX850 is out of the picture at this point... correct? I admit I&#039;m not exactly sure what I&#039;m doing.</p><p>3) I&#039;d say it&#039;s similar, but it&#039;s so hard to compare because only one or the other can be on at one time. For example, if I have Pianoteq running then I can&#039;t hear sounds from anything else. When I close out Pianoteq then I have to reload pages and/or browsers in order to reactivate the sound in Youtube, etc. During all this checking I don&#039;t know what happened but I can no longer hear Netflix on Firefox, though Youtube seems ok. I can hear sound from Netflix on Internet Explorer, though it&#039;s at a lower volume. Kinda frustrating.</p><p>SO in the meantime, I unplugged the speakers I was originally trying and replaced them with an older pair I had hanging around. Both are cheap speakers, but these older ones work better with a louder sound. I believe I have the sound more or less balanced out now to where I can listen to stuff on the internet or play the piano without such a huge disparity in volumes as I started out with. However, something is still not right because I still have issues with internet sounds after closing out Pianoteq. </p><p>As for &quot;all the playback sliders&quot;, I&#039;m not sure because I don&#039;t understand my sound card setup. In my playback device list I have 2 &quot;ready&quot; and a 3rd as default device, as follows:</p><p>Acer H236HL-4: NVIDIA High Definition Audio (Ready w/volume all the way up)<br />Realtek Digital Output: Realtek High Definition Audio (Ready w/volume all the way up)<br />Speakers: Realtek High Defnintion Audio (Default Device w/volume part way up or else too loud)</p><p>Pianoteq devices set as follows:<br />Active MIDI inputs: Casio USB-MIDI<br />Audio device type: ASIO<br />Device: ASIO4ALL v2 (There&#039;s a test button next to this, but nothing happens when I press it.) <br />Active output channels: HD audio output 1 selected (all the others unchecked)<br />Sample rate: 44100 Hz<br />Audio buffer size: 512 samples (11.6 ms)</p><p>Thanks a bunch for continuing to help with this.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 06 Nov 2014 03:53:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=935429#p935429</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Charles gave you some excellent checks.&nbsp; &nbsp;One more I add which is are you certain that the Windows mixer is showing ALL the playback sliders?&nbsp; &nbsp;Click on the little icon at the top of each and then look at the &quot;levels&quot; and &quot;advanced&quot; pages of every slider.&nbsp; Make sure that the volume of all is at 100%</p><p>From your midi test your keyboard output volume is okay.</p><p>Ian</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 10:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m using my own computer&#039;s soundcard, and not having your problems.&nbsp; So let&#039;s see what could be happening:</p><p>1.&nbsp; In Pianoteq&#039;s main window, there&#039;s a &quot;Volume&quot; slider.</p><p>. . . What is it set to?</p><p>2.&nbsp; Are you trying to route Pianoteq (that is, the computer&#039;s soundcard output) through the PX-850&#039;s loudspeakers?</p><p>If so, you&#039;re probably feeding it into a &quot;Line In&quot; jack (or jacks).&nbsp; The volume produced by a signal on that jack(s) may be affected by the PX-850&#039;s own &quot;VOLUME&quot; control:</p><p>. . . What volume is the PX-850 set to? </p><p>3.&nbsp; If you plug headphones into the computer&#039;s soundcard, does the output sound reasonably loud?&nbsp; It should be similar, using Pianoteq and the ASIO driver, and listening to (e.g.) Youtube with standard soundcard drivers.</p><p>.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Charles (also on the &quot;PianoWorld&quot; forum)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 07:21:11 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Beemer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Download this tiny program:</p><p><a href="http://www.midiox.com/">http://www.midiox.com/</a></p><p>It will allow you to check the midi signal level when you play a note from your Casio </p><p>The zero to maximum volume range is 0 to 127</p><p>Ian</p></blockquote></div><p>Okay, I downloaded the program. I&#039;m able to produce volumes in the full range from 0 to 127 (definitely into the upper 120&#039;s with 127 once, by hitting the key really hard, which I only did a few times since I don&#039;t want to break anything).</p><p>What does that tell me? Something good I hope. <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 05 Nov 2014 05:22:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=935391#p935391</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Download this tiny program:</p><p><a href="http://www.midiox.com/">http://www.midiox.com/</a></p><p>It will allow you to check the midi signal level when you play a note from your Casio </p><p>The zero to maximum volume range is 0 to 127</p><p>Ian</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2014 16:48:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Beemer wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>What is the volume when you use the Pianoteq keyboard?&nbsp; Note that the volume changes depending on how far your mouse touches the key from its front.Ian</p></blockquote></div><p>The Pianoteq keyboard is quite loud. My Casio keyboard is not loud enough, even with sound level at 100% and external speaker knob turned up all the way. Does that sound like a sound card problem to you, too?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:36:45 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>kalessin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You will probably have more luck with a decent external audio interface.</p></blockquote></div><p>OK, I&#039;m not sure all of your response, but I had a feeling it might come down to this. Thank you, I&#039;ll look into getting one.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>kalessin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> What does the screen say? Isn&#039;t there a button to continue? Sorry, but it has been a long time that I had to calibrate (and I&#039;m not at home right now).</p></blockquote></div><p>No, there&#039;s no button to continue. Any chance there&#039;s a screenshot somewhere where I can see what it should look like after pressing the note and ready for the next step?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Tue, 04 Nov 2014 01:29:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What is the volume when you use the Pianoteq keyboard?&nbsp; Note that the volume changes depending on how far your mouse touches the key from its front.</p><p>Ian</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 17:41:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=935368#p935368</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>TX-Bluebonnet wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>1) I&nbsp; downloaded the ASIO driver and got the the Pianoteq sound to output through my PC&#039;s external speakers.&nbsp; However, to hear the piano playing at a normal level I have to turn the internal sound mixer and external speaker volumes up to max levels. Then when I close out Pianoteq and go to listen to Netflix, YouTube video, etc, it&#039;s of course WAY TOO LOUD. What would be the best approach to fix this disparity in sound levels?</p></blockquote></div><p>This seems to be an effect some built-in sound devices show. ASIO uses kernel streaming, and this bypasses the software mixer. It seems like on those sound cards the software mixer is used to &#039;correct&#039; a too-low audio level, which of course doesn&#039;t work when using ASIO. Perhaps it will work when using a DAW that can use WASAPI in device-exclusive mode (e.g., Sonar X3); however, I doubt it. You will probably have more luck with a decent external audio interface.</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>2) I can&#039;t seem to calibrate my keyboard. I click on calibration, start, then follows step 1/5 to press a key softly at which point I the virtual key depresses and a vertical line shows up momentarily in the velocity box. Then... nothing. How do I make it go to step 2/5?</p></blockquote></div><p>What does the screen say? Isn&#039;t there a button to continue? Sorry, but it has been a long time that I had to calibrate (and I&#039;m not at home right now).</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 08:32:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I&#039;m trying out the stage demo version to use with my Casio PX850. I really like the U4 sounds. Anyway, I&#039;m stuck on a couple of things, hoping someone can help me out.</p><p>1) I&nbsp; downloaded the ASIO driver and got the the Pianoteq sound to output through my PC&#039;s external speakers.&nbsp; However, to hear the piano playing at a normal level I have to turn the internal sound mixer and external speaker volumes up to max levels. Then when I close out Pianoteq and go to listen to Netflix, YouTube video, etc, it&#039;s of course WAY TOO LOUD. What would be the best approach to fix this disparity in sound levels?</p><p>2) I can&#039;t seem to calibrate my keyboard. I click on calibration, start, then follows step 1/5 to press a key softly at which point I the virtual key depresses and a vertical line shows up momentarily in the velocity box. Then... nothing. How do I make it go to step 2/5?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 03 Nov 2014 00:20:27 +0000</pubDate>
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