I have done a similar thing that Gilles mentions. I have a Kurzweil and a Yamaha S-90 here I have layered with various Pianoteq presets.
Lanny
]]>Here is the preveiously mentioned file using the layered sound from two Pianoteq presets + acoustic bass from Logic 8 Express:
]]>It's possible to layer pianoteq with the built-in sampled sound of a keyboard. I tried it a couple of years ago on version 4.0 with my oldish Yamaha P80 that has a short looped sampled sound but a nice (albeit compressed) attack sound.
The only shortcoming is that, to avoid phasing effects mostly due to mistuning, you have to retune the pianoteq preset so that the differently tuned notes fit with the (unchangeable) samples. This requires the pro version of course and can take some time. Problem is, if you want to layer with other presets, you have to retune those also, and that for every instrument you want to layer with your keyboard. So, in the end, this is not very practical and advances in the model have mostly caught up.
As an example, here is a short impro done for the purpose of comparing the attack, layering was done with D4 version 4.0.
What is obvious, is how short and dead the resonance is for the lone P80, but how much better the combined attack and sustain sound with the layering.
To enable comparison with version 5.1, I include the MIDI file since D4 has been much improved since.
Again, advances in the current model have mostly closed the gap, my favorite for a nice attack sound being the Kremsegg C. Bechstein (also my current goto piano )
Layer P80+D4 (v4.0) : http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p..._layer.mp3
P80 alone : http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...0_only.mp3
MIDI file for comparing : http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p..._layer.mid
LTECpiano wrote:I had forgotten that thanks . . (duh). However, after doing so, I get this:
Error: DIR_FULL
I also tried to upload something yesterday to the Other Files section and got the same message...
Webmaster ! Please do something about it !
Sorry for the problem. It should be fixed now.
Uploads have a great success on the forum
]]>I had forgotten that thanks . . (duh). However, after doing so, I get this:
Error: DIR_FULL
I also tried to upload something yesterday to the Other Files section and got the same message...
Webmaster ! Please do something about it !
]]>No . . . it is only 3Mb. BTW, you could do that OrangeBreeze thing ( it is super ) with this set-up I am describing. . . . if I ever get it going. I could email it to you if you like.
Lanny
yes please, robsogge@tin.it
]]>Lanny
]]>I had forgotten that thanks . . (duh). However, after doing so, I get this:
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is it maybe over the 10MB limit?
]]>Error: DIR_FULL
]]>hmmmm . . . I always get mixed up about getting a MP3 from my desktop onto the forum post.
a quick reminder would be appreciated.
Tnx,
Lanny
just upload the mp3 in the "other files" section and link to it... I'm curious to listen to the result
]]>a quick reminder would be appreciated.
Tnx,
Lanny
]]>1 - from the D4
2 - a modified YC5 re-voiced to morph from a quasi upright bass sound to the YC5 in the mid to upper range.
(Pianoteq now includes similar presets referred to as "bass split piano")
In addition to the above layers, I have included an acoustic bass from Logic 8 Express. (Also the recording was done with Logic)
By deleting the hammer noise from 2- above in the bass region and careful adjustment of the damper settings, that preset adds tonal presence to the L8 bass and all of the release sounds that are missing in the L8 bass sample. I use PnoScan for my key sensors so the key off velocity has a wonderful effect for the finger/fretting of the settings of 2- above. (I played my old upright bass for 30+years so I know that sound)
I suggest layering presets from two separate Pianoteq applications (if your CPU can handle it) will yield much more versatility in your quest.
So, here is a 3 layer single track using these sounds together:
LD minor improv.mp3
]]>So if you really want to use sampled sounds, just use a high-quality sampled piano software like e.g. Ivory II. Its resonance simulation is probably not as good as Pianoteq's, but it should have one. So you will have to choose: do you want to have the 'ultimate' amount of detail in the individual notes, then you will have to go with sampling. Or do you want Pianoteq's bad-ass resonance model together with the greater flexibility modelling offers in general. It's your choice, but a choice it is.
In fact, I use Ivory II with its own resonance and it's ok for me.... I was rather thinking of old sampled pianos (like realsamples do). They don't have resonance but I could use the Kivir or Kremsegg to enhence them a lot ! And for old pianos, the attack is essential !
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