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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Mr.Woodchuck wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Processor is an AMD Turion x2 Dual Core Mobile RM74 2.2Ghz&nbsp; 4 Gb Ram 64Bit</p></blockquote></div><p>This is a slow CPU. Passmark score is just about 1000. You should normally have 2500+ for Pianoteq. Did you check your polyphony settings? You will probably not get more than 32 with that CPU, maybe not even that. Try to set it to e.g. 8 and then, if that works, slowly increase it.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kalessin]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-05T08:22:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The problem is not Pianoteq indeed but PC&#039;s AND Mac&#039;s... or graphic cards! A few years ago, I had a big similar problem with a Sony Vaio (not a cheap one: i5, 4 GB RAM, full HD 17&quot;, Blu Ray and all;I paid about 1K € for this toy): impossible to get a recording of only 4 audio tracks without drops !!! Turns out&nbsp; it was the graphic card (Nvidia) that would randomly have access to the memory of the PC, creating havocs in the audio. Cure? Nope. Oh, yes disabling the graphic card and working in VGA mode !!! Argh !<br />And, by the way, some Mac&#039;s use exactly the same Nvidia config, and I&#039;ve seen reports of similar problems on some forums...<br />I bought a (less expensive!) Asus WITHOUT a dedicated graphic card: I can get now 100 audio tracks continuous recording, not a single drop after 2 hours ! Needless to say, Pianoteq runs like charm.<br />More and more graphic cards companies have only one category of users in sight: players. Now you know... :-(</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luc Henrion]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-04T06:55:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Your CPU unfortunately is a bit old.&nbsp; Even more unfortunately, AMD CPUs historically have not been as good as Intel&#039;s for floating point instructions (which modelling software tends to use).&nbsp; The performance looks similar to an old laptop I used to use ... here&#039;s how I tweaked Pianoteq to work OK with it:</p><p>Set Sample Rate to 22000hz<br />Set Internal Sample Rate to 11000hz<br />Turn off CPU overload detection<br />Decrease polyphony<br />Increase audio buffer</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mossy]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-04T01:25:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Tried the latency checker and found wifi adapter was misbehaving so I disabled it and guess what?&nbsp; No improvement!<br />Still dropping out and Pianoteq graph stops intermitently still.<br />Processor is an AMD Turion x2 Dual Core Mobile RM74 2.2Ghz&nbsp; 4 Gb Ram 64Bit</p><p>I really wonder how you guys put up with this hassle! With 2 different PC&#039;s and different operating systems, 2 different audio interfaces, and nothing but problems!&nbsp; I wonder if Mac is really better. Can&#039;t be worse!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mr.Woodchuck]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-03T21:19:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Also, e.g. on notebook hardware certain CPU power saving features can cause all kinds of problems. I have had this problem in the past, though I cannot recall details on which CPU feature it was, sorry. It was buried deep in the perfomance/power saving settings.</p><p>Could you also give details on what AMD CPU exactly your PC has? The frequency alone does not say too much, unfortunately. Have you tried limiting the polyphony to a low value, e.g. 32 or less?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kalessin]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-03T19:43:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>you could/should also check your PC audio abilities with this freeware:<br /><a href="http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml">http://www.thesycon.de/deu/latency_check.shtml</a><br />Really highly recommended.<br />Sometimes simply disabling an unused driver or two, (often the WLAN) is all that&#039;s needed.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luc Henrion]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-03T07:45:26Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Mr.Woodchuck wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>&quot;Is your cpu single core or dual core or higher? If it&#039;s single core, that could be the problem.&quot;</p><p>I checked and it&#039;s dual core 2.2ghz.</p><p>&quot;And you downloaded the latest driver for your new sound card that&#039;s compatible with your computer&#039;s operating system? And rebooted? Can you hear Youtube videos using it? Without dropouts?&quot;</p><p>I downloaded the Steinberg 1.73 driver the Steinberg sight lists as appropriate for Windows XP, Vista, 7, or 8. I haven&#039;t tried using it for U-tube videos or other sound generating programs as I knew that ASIO drivers were only supposed to be used exclusively by one application, or am I incorrect. I make it a point to close all other applications before using Pianoteq.</p><p>I&#039;ll try assigning the UR22 as default sound and see what happens.<br />Thanks for the reponse!</p></blockquote></div><p>Oh, you can use ASIO drivers to listen to anything that you want. It&#039;s just having two sound applications open at once that can cause problems. Check out the Youtube videos, or any other sound files, to be sure that you can get a good sound. (I use Youtube videos to check my sound only because they are easy to get to.)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-03T03:09:51Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>&quot;Is your cpu single core or dual core or higher? If it&#039;s single core, that could be the problem.&quot;</p><p>I checked and it&#039;s dual core 2.2ghz.</p><p>&quot;And you downloaded the latest driver for your new sound card that&#039;s compatible with your computer&#039;s operating system? And rebooted? Can you hear Youtube videos using it? Without dropouts?&quot;</p><p>I downloaded the Steinberg 1.73 driver the Steinberg sight lists as appropriate for Windows XP, Vista, 7, or 8. I haven&#039;t tried using it for U-tube videos or other sound generating programs as I knew that ASIO drivers were only supposed to be used exclusively by one application, or am I incorrect. I make it a point to close all other applications before using Pianoteq.</p><p>I&#039;ll try assigning the UR22 as default sound and see what happens.<br />Thanks for the reponse!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mr.Woodchuck]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-03T02:37:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Mr.Woodchuck wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>No other instruments or VST&#039;s. Pianoteq is my first attempt to alter sound from my digital pianos.<br />I&#039;m running Vista. I believe my PC has AMD 1.6ghz processor with 4 GB ram. 500 gig HD. I&#039;m not at same location as my PC right now. IDT internal sound controller.</p></blockquote></div><p>Is your cpu single core or dual core or higher? If it&#039;s single core, that could be the problem.</p><p>And you downloaded the latest driver for your new sound card that&#039;s compatible with your computer&#039;s operating system? And rebooted? Can you hear Youtube videos using it? Without dropouts?</p><p>Are you closing your browser, too, before starting Pianoteq? Google&#039;s Chrome, for one, doesn&#039;t play well with music software.&nbsp; </p><p>Well, you might try downloading a free vsti or two and one of the free sequencers that play them, such as Mulab, and testing them to see if they work. That would tell you if the problem is with Pianoteq or with something in your setup or configuration. (It&#039;s almost certainly not Pianoteq, unless you are on a single core system. It&#039;s fairly cpu-intensive.)</p><p>I do know what you are going through. I think I can accurately say that we&#039;ve all gone through it. Getting all of the settings right in all of the stages can seem like a nightmare. And then one day it all clicks and you wonder what was so complicated.&nbsp; </p><p>Don&#039;t give up. And maybe someone else here has experience with the R22....??</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-03T00:18:13Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>No other instruments or VST&#039;s. Pianoteq is my first attempt to alter sound from my digital pianos.<br />I&#039;m running Vista. I believe my PC has AMD 1.6ghz processor with 4 GB ram. 500 gig HD. I&#039;m not at same location as my PC right now. IDT internal sound controller.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mr.Woodchuck]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-02T22:33:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Can you provide more information? Do other instruments, such as sample-based vsti&#039;s, play without any problems?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-02T22:10:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Oh well, this has turned out to be a tremendous waste of time. Got the Steinberg UR22, installed and sound constantly &quot;dropped out&quot;. Installed, uninstalled, deactivated internal sound device, reboot, reboot, reboot.&nbsp; Adjust buffer size, sample rate, etc, etc., etc. Still dropping sound. Thought it might be my PC so I tried installing on wifes windows 7 computer and got no sound whatsoever!&nbsp; Guess I&#039;ll send it back and give up on Pianoteq.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mr.Woodchuck]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-02T21:46:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for responding. I&#039;ll be getting an R22 soon and will report back on how it works out.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mr.Woodchuck]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-08-30T11:52:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Trying out Pianoteq, have sound card questions]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It should <em>not</em> be necessary to reboot. Yes, ASIO4ALL utilises WDM kernel streaming, which means exclusive access to the soundcard. Thus it can only initialise the device if no other software is currently using it. I have used Pianoteq with my built-in sound plenty of times, in fact it falls back to it automatically when my USB device is not connected.</p><p>Concerning the second part of your question: if you assign a different hardware device (i.e. a good USB Focusrite or Steinberg interface) to Pianoteq, your problems will probably be solved permanently, as long as you don&#039;t assign it as Windows&#039; default audio output as well...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kalessin]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-08-30T11:33:23Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>short answer: yes ! :-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luc Henrion]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-08-29T07:45:02Z</updated>
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