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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Misleading information re products available]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932795#p932795</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>So... You got a nice surprise in the end.</p><p>But you are right. I supose more people would buy if they have certain agbout get the two piano models.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>vjau wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It&#039;s not the commercial policy we are criticizing, only the presentation on the website which should be clearer.<br />When i ordered the v5 update, i though that the K2 was not included in the update.</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Beto-Music)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 14:16:44 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932793#p932793</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The K2&#039;s bass strings are 2.11m (about 6.9ft) long, putting it squarely into the &#039;parlour grand&#039; class, I&#039;d say. I find its sound quite interesting: it is a nice contrast to the D4 at 2.70m and the Blüthner at 2.80m (about 9.2ft). It makes no sense to have instruments that are too similar. The Blüthner grand produces a very harmonic and mellow sound, the D4 is a bit brighter (albeit both can be modified to suit personal taste), and the K2 is more inharmonic and has a noticeably weaker bass (in these regards it shares similarities with an upright piano). I like all of them very much, and it depends on the piece I am playing (and a bit on my mood) which I choose. <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (kalessin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 10:30:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932792#p932792</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If Pianoteq came only with the D4 piano, I would still buy it. The K2 instrument is a nice added value.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>sandalholme wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>the K2, which I don&#039;t want</p></blockquote></div><p>I admit that initially, I didn&#039;t like the K2 either. It thought it to be too bright and clear. I even doubted that it had a piano sound at all (Forgive my ignorance, I have no idea how a 6&#039; grand sounds). But as the days went by, I started to like it. In the Fxp Corner, there is a preset called &quot;K2_Warm-Dry_Grand&quot; the sound of which I find very appealing. If I use my usual velocity curve with that preset and decrease the Y-values of the p, mf and f points by 4, the sound is just right. The K2 is my favourite instrument now.</p><p>So, my suggestion is that you give the K2 piano another fair try. :-)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 09:41:22 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Misleading information re products available]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932791#p932791</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Dear all,<br />we are sorry for the confusion and we will update the presentation on the website to make the information clearer. Thank you for pointing that out.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Philippe Guillaume)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 08:16:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Misleading information re products available]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932789#p932789</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s not the commercial policy we are criticizing, only the presentation on the website which should be clearer.<br />When i ordered the v5 update, i though that the K2 was not included in the update.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (vjau)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 06:55:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Misleading information re products available]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932785#p932785</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>It would be nice to have the default acoustic package have D4 + Bluthner but I&#039;m sure Modartt has to pay licensing fees to Bluthner to use the name/likeness -- probably even got some expertise from Bluthner also in creating the model.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Mossy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2014 01:06:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932781#p932781</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>This is what I suggest:</p><p>There are a few companies that sell Pianoteq for a little discount. There are some sellers on eBay, like JR.com that advertise the retail price but accept best offers. </p><p>You might be able to get 10-15% off, and you&#039;ll end up spending $20 more than you thought you would, nothing to cry about. </p><p>I was slightly confused myself until I read the details. Good luck!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (beakybird)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 21:57:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932779#p932779</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>kalessin wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I still don&#039;t see where this is misleading.</p></blockquote></div><p>I also think quite the opposite.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (vjau)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:22:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932778#p932778</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, i understand, but...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>delt wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Let&#039;s start a petition for Modartt to run a summer add-on promo next month.... 2 for one <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><br /><p>^ that <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> pretty please Modartt <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (delt)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 19:20:14 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Misleading information re products available]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932776#p932776</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I still don&#039;t see where this is misleading. Or do they write &quot;includes 2 arbritary instrument packs, to be chosen freely&quot;? Or is the &#039;flavour&#039; concept not clearly indicated before buying? In both regards the answer is no (on the features page the &#039;flavour&#039; concept is actually mentioned). As long as it is absolutely clear what one buys before one buys, there is no misleading anybody.</p><p>You have interpreted something into the Pianoteq promo texts that was not exactly there, and were disappointed when you saw it was not meant like you would have wished. I understand that. I also wish Modartt would sell certain instrument packs together for a discounted price. However, the truth of the matter is: Pianoteq is a Modartt product, Modartt decide what they offer and for what price. Customers decide whether they buy. And truth to be told, Pianoteq Standard plus 1 add-on (which is what we are talking about) is still a great value.</p><p>PS: following your logic, it should also be possible to buy Kremsegg 1+2 for the base price. Which might be cool from a customer&#039;s perspective, but makes absolutely no business sense. I can understand why Modartt chose to make certain instrument packs available in the basic flavours, while others are only available as separate add-ons.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (kalessin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 18:28:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932775#p932775</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>kalessin, the web site indeed says &quot;includes 2 instrument packs&quot; and underneath are the D4, K2, Bluethner etc, labelled as &quot;instrument packs&quot;.&nbsp; Nothing to say that the only instrument pack available is the D4 and K2.&nbsp; My reading, which I think is reasonable, is that I could choose any 2 instrument packs, e.g. D4 and U4, or K2 and Bluethner.&nbsp; Only when I got to the buying section was the choice between &quot;flavours&quot; and that the acoustic piano flavour was D4 and K2, no alternatives.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (sandalholme)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 18:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932774#p932774</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>If they offered e.g. &quot;Kremsegg Complete&quot; for let&#039;s say 80 Euros, I&#039;d have had bought it yesterday. <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> And the old &quot;Rock&quot; collection was also pretty cool. I can&#039;t speak for others, but having decent acoustic <em>and</em> electric pianos is quite nice... just&#039; sayin. <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>delt wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>and it&#039;s not like digital downloads are costing a lot to &quot;produce&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>It&#039;s not that easy. An instrument pack is two things: (1) costs for research/work for producing it in the first place, and (2) a reason to buy Pianoteq, which is even more research/work to develop. All in all it is a mixed calculation, and although the individual download copy does not produce much in costs, I can absolutely understand Modartt not giving them away for free. That being said, bundles could still motivate people to buy that might otherwise have not, which would be a net gain for the manufacturer.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (kalessin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 17:15:56 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932773#p932773</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Let&#039;s start a petition for Modartt to run a summer add-on promo next month.... 2 for one <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p><p>/* edit */ oops, clicked &quot;edit&quot; instead of &quot;quote&quot;. sorry :3</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (delt)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 17:13:20 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932771#p932771</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I don&#039;t find anything misleading in the advertisement. In the feature table it says &quot;Includes two instrument packs&quot;, but when you go to &quot;Instruments&quot;, you will find this:</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>When you purchase Pianoteq 5, you choose among three flavours:<br /></p><ul><li><p>Acoustic pianos (includes D4 and K2 grand pianos)</p></li><li><p>Electric instruments (includes R2 and W1 electric pianos and CL1 Clavinet)</p></li><li><p>Chromatic percussions (includes V-B and V-M vibes, Xylophone and Marimba)</p></li></ul><p>More instruments can be purchased separately at any time.</p></blockquote></div><p>And if you click on &quot;buy&quot;, it immediately asks for the &#039;flavour&#039; (and defines the three different variants). In fact this means that PTQ5 is cheaper than PTQ4 in some scenarios, e.g. when you are only interested in the electric pianos and not the acoustics. The Blüthner grand is something that sets Pianoteq apart, and therefore it always has been (and probably will be for the foreseeable future) a separate add-on.</p><p>What has gotten somewhat more expensive is the YC5 (from 30 to 50 Euros, probably because it got revamped), and the rock collection is now missing. I.e., in PTQ4 you could buy the electrics + Clavinet + YC5 together for 90 Euros and separately for 130 (now it&#039;s always three separate addons für 50 Euros each). Apart from that, pricing has not changed much. And you always have the KIViR instruments and the Bells and Carillons.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (kalessin)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 17:02:06 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=932770#p932770</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>You get way more than 2 pianos, there are other free add-ons you can use. Not to mention the millions of variations you can create when you start tweaking...</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Wed, 18 Jun 2014 16:01:23 +0000</pubDate>
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