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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Sennheiser HD 598]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi, was looking for headphones to use with Ptq, so, after reading this forum,&nbsp; I went out to a store to try out a few. I have used Sennheizer HD 202 and they sounded somewhat dull, not clear, something missing. But, Hd 598/600 was too expensive to me, so I tried Grado SR 80i, (as did JR pianist – thank you for advise), and the open back was a good thing. And the naturalness. I bought them and the naturalness and details are good. Using Grado, I hear things with Ptq, that I did not hear before. I am very happy. And they works directly into my CD player and phone, too. For those, who can not afford more costsam headphones, maybe it is worth testing Grado among others.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Pianoteqenthusiast]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-09T10:23:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>As an electronics engineer I can tell you, why&nbsp; on most power amplifiers connecting a low-impedance headphone leads to bad results: most of them have a resistor of a few hundred ohms in series with the output signal, in order to protect against shortcircuits when inserting the phones jack.<br />This is no problem with high-Z phones ( 300 - 600 ohms), but with low-z types ( 32-50 ohms) this leads to attenuations of some 20 dB.</p><p>Itis always wise to read the specs of a headphone amp. many of them deliver only some 50 milliwatts; for somewhat more headroom one needs output levels in the order of 200 milliwatts ( into 32 ohms).</p><p>I use the AKG K550 together with the Fiio E11k, which is very reasonably priced.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[geert]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-07T19:31:00Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I said &quot;Ican&#039;t believe&quot; as a expression of surprise, and not about doubt her.</p><br /><p>Can&#039;t be the distortions compensated, equalized???</p><p>What about flat response speakers ? Can two models be diffente, in a relevant way, for bass, for example?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-21T17:52:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>All I can tell you is that Rachel is correct. When recording and playing sound, the result is <em>always</em> the &#039;real&#039; signal modified by a filter function. Mathematically this is called a &#039;convolution&#039;. Thus, the result is:</p><p>&#039;real&#039; signal (X) microphone response (X) AD converter response (X) DA converter response (X) speaker response.</p><p>This is always true and will never change; it&#039;s basic physics. Ideally the response functions are unity functions, but they are not. Even the AD/DA converter response functions are <em>not</em> unity functions, though they introduce the least distortion. Every physicist will tell you that if you measure something, you will always get a result that is heavily influenced by your measurement and playback equipment... and microphones and speakers are just that. <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p><p>About the hearing tests: sound is not absolute. The (deci-)bel is a relative unit. Thus, the position of 0dB is arbitrary from a physics standpoint. It is usually <em>chosen</em> to identify the threshold of human hearing, and it is absolutely to be expected that measurements from 70 years ago maybe did not get that point exactly right. <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kalessin]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-21T15:15:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Sennheiser HD 598]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>We are in 21 century and stil have problems like this...&nbsp; <i class="far fa-meh-rolling-eyes smiley"></i> </p><p>Once a doctor told me that hearing measure tests were changed in the specifications for the measuring chart, cause they found the phones used in 40&#039;s (or near that when the chart was created) wasn&#039;t able to render correctly the sound.&nbsp; That&#039;s why the hearing tests chart today instead of begin in zero decibels, starts in -3 decibels.</p><p>Is there no real responde mics or real response phones? <br />I can&#039;t believe...</p><br /><p><span class="postimg"><img src="http://www.danpohlfurniture.com/record_player.jpg" alt="PunBB bbcode test" title="PunBB bbcode test"/></span> </p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>rjpianist wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How to know what is the rightest headphone??? The one with more bass, or the one with more trebble?</p><p>What about get a real piano, record it, and compare the sound of the recordind listening with a headphone and listening to the real piano?</p></blockquote></div><p>The problem with that is that the microphones will change the sound too, so you don&#039;t know whether it&#039;s the mics or the headphones making the difference.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-21T14:26:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Sennheiser HD 598]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How to know what is the rightest headphone??? The one with more bass, or the one with more trebble?</p><p>What about get a real piano, record it, and compare the sound of the recordind listening with a headphone and listening to the real piano?</p></blockquote></div><p>The problem with that is that the microphones will change the sound too, so you don&#039;t know whether it&#039;s the mics or the headphones making the difference.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-06-21T13:18:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>How to know what is the rightest headphone???</p></blockquote></div><p>If one is seeking accuracy, one way would be to compare the sound of the headphones to very good quality studio monitors, in an average listening environment, I guess.</p><p>Greg.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[skip]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-21T09:22:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>How to know what is the rightest headphone??? The one with more bass, or the one with more trebble?</p><p>What about get a real piano, record it, and compare the sound of the recordind listening with a headphone and listening to the real piano?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-20T14:50:56Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Sennheiser HD 598]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>kippesc wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>njaremko wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>dalrmi wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This one could be ok ?</p><p><a href="http://audioengineusa.com/Store/D1-24-Bit-DAC">D1-24-Bit-DAC</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Really can&#039;t go wrong with anything made by Audioengine, the D1 is a fantastic DAC/amp and would certainly meet your needs.</p><p>You&#039;ll need to follow this to get your setup working correctly (outputing audio to multiple audio devices): <a href="http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/how-to-use-multiple-audio-inputs-and-outputs-in-mac-os-x/">http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/ho...-mac-os-x/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Have you used the D1 with Pianoteq? I tried one a few years ago and thought it had too much latency. But it&#039;s possible the latency was coming from somewhere else. I did however get better results (for whatever reason) using an Apogee One, even though it&#039;s sampling rate is around 45 kHz.</p></blockquote></div><p>Now that I think about it, I was connecting the D1 to a Mac using an optical cable. That might be where the latency was coming from. Anybody with more expertise in these matters have a guess?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kippesc]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-20T03:39:49Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Sennheiser HD 598]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>njaremko wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>dalrmi wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This one could be ok ?</p><p><a href="http://audioengineusa.com/Store/D1-24-Bit-DAC">D1-24-Bit-DAC</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Really can&#039;t go wrong with anything made by Audioengine, the D1 is a fantastic DAC/amp and would certainly meet your needs.</p><p>You&#039;ll need to follow this to get your setup working correctly (outputing audio to multiple audio devices): <a href="http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/how-to-use-multiple-audio-inputs-and-outputs-in-mac-os-x/">http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/ho...-mac-os-x/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Have you used the D1 with Pianoteq? I tried one a few years ago and thought it had too much latency. But it&#039;s possible the latency was coming from somewhere else. I did however get better results (for whatever reason) using an Apogee One, even though it&#039;s sampling rate is around 45 kHz.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-06-20T02:33:53Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dalrmi wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>This one could be ok ?</p><p><a href="http://audioengineusa.com/Store/D1-24-Bit-DAC">D1-24-Bit-DAC</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Really can&#039;t go wrong with anything made by Audioengine, the D1 is a fantastic DAC/amp and would certainly meet your needs.</p><p>You&#039;ll need to follow this to get your setup working correctly (outputing audio to multiple audio devices): <a href="http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/how-to-use-multiple-audio-inputs-and-outputs-in-mac-os-x/">http://www.lifehacker.com.au/2012/08/ho...-mac-os-x/</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[njaremko]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-20T00:52:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;d avoid Terratec, they&#039;ve kinda sorta abandoned the pro audio world. Drivers are not au pair with other more prominent vendors.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EvilDragon]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-18T08:41:53Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I am not a Mac user, but what you seem to be looking for is essentially a USB audio interface. There are several viable options in the range up to 200 dollars, I think, and most of them have built-in headphone amps. I would e.g. also look at the Terrasoniq Phase X64, the Steinberg UR22 or the Focusrite Scarlett 2i4, depending on the desired price point.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[kalessin]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-18T08:39:46Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>This one could be ok ?</p><p><a href="http://audioengineusa.com/Store/D1-24-Bit-DAC">D1-24-Bit-DAC</a></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dalrmi]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-06-18T08:26:00Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi, someone could suggest me some models of headphone amp for my phones that could be seen as &quot;output&quot; on my iMac ? I mean connect it through the USB and not via the jack.</p><p>So I could select that output in Pianoteq leaving the deafult output for other sounds of apps on the iMac through my Bose speakers connected via the jack.</p><p>Thanks.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-06-18T07:15:36Z</updated>
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