Modartt user forum - The J.B. Streicher

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Klemperer) — Sun, 26 Oct 2014 14:40:27 +0000

Thanks for the link, matthew. Would be interesting to know what differences there were - "our" Streicher, which I like very very much too, is modelled after the Kremsegg 1852 instrument, Brahms, as told in the pdf mentions some new ideas the company wanted to show him in 1864, and that he got a Streicher from 1868 (a "no. 6713") in 1873. That instrument remained in his home until his death. I like those "autumnal" late piano works opus 116-119 if played with the right hands (all a matter of taste, I prefer Wilhelm Kempff's old recordings to those who hammer a bit more^^), and it seems Brahms played those at his Streicher . Thanks again for the link!

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (matthew) — Fri, 24 Oct 2014 07:56:20 +0000

I've also really fallen for this piano. I have so far only been able to afford the Kremsegg 1 collection, but the J.B. Streicher was worth the cost alone. I've recently taken up the task of learning all of Bach's sinfonias (3-part inventions), and it has been a real pleasure to play them on this instrument. I'm not sure why, but the presence seems much more realistic to me (actually, all the Kremsegg pianos seem more realistic). I don't really tweak anything; just a few small adjustments to binaural mode, a change to well-tempered tuning and a few notches down on the condition slider… The responsiveness makes me feel like I actually have a real piano in front of me. I have never achieved this with the D4 or Bluethner—not sure why?

I've read that Brahms used to love this piano manufacturer. Some interesting notes on that can be found here: http://scholarship.claremont.edu/cgi/vi...ontext=ppr

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Mon, 26 May 2014 18:34:35 +0000

Here is the fxp for the Streicher with two R84's and one moved mic:

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.php?id=1867

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Sun, 25 May 2014 16:20:20 +0000

Still can't upload fxp's to the site. So here are the mic settings in the Streicher for the Chopin Etude in E major. (Click to enlarge.)

Both mics are changed to R84's.
Only mic 1 was moved. Mic 2 stays in the same position as in the default J.B Streicher Close Mic preset.
Obviously, I'm open to suggestions for getting a better stereo image. No time right now to experiment with the delay and amp settings on the mic page.

Image uploaded using PostImage.org

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Sun, 25 May 2014 15:54:15 +0000

What is the dividing line that separates the late pianofortes from early Grand pianos?

Forgive my ignorance.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (TheTechnobear) — Sun, 25 May 2014 15:38:50 +0000

Thanks to both of you
Sounds like a win-win situation... no compromise needed for the KIViR and we also have a broader selection of the instruments with the Kremsegg - great news!

Im very tempted with Kremsegg 2 , the Bechstein sounds fantastic!
(hmm, now going to have to go try the Streicher)

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Philippe Guillaume) — Sun, 25 May 2014 12:57:19 +0000

Ha! Gilles, I deleted my post and repost it here to let you the prime

TheTechnobear wrote:

Philippe Guillaume wrote:
We are currently working hard on rebuilding the KIViR instruments from ground, and the beta tests will soon start.
how will the KIViR differ to the kremsegg versions? ( where there is an overlap).

You gave the answer: no overlap. Even when it's the same brand like Erard or Pleyel, the instruments are very different: for example the KIViR Pleyel is from 1926 whereas the Kremsegg Pleyel is from 1835, each instrument having its own personality. Besides, the goal of KIViR is also to show a broader panel of instruments, including piano predecessors such as clavichord, cymbalom and harpsichord.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Gilles) — Sun, 25 May 2014 12:55:07 +0000

TheTechnobear wrote:

Philippe Guillaume wrote:
We are currently working hard on rebuilding the KIViR instruments from ground, and the beta tests will soon start.
how will the KIViR differ to the kremsegg versions? ( where there is an overlap)

There is no real overlap. The seemingly overlapping Pleyel, Erard and Bechstein are completely different instruments, the Kremsegg Erard and Pleyel are pianofortes, not grand pianos. The Kremsegg C. Bechstein is a marvelous instrument in my opinion, my favorite in fact, and I don't think the improved KIViR Bechstein will match it, but it will surely be vastly better...we'll see.

The Kremsegg Bechstein and Streicher are real masterpieces of virtual reconstruction I find...

EDIT: Oooops! Philippe and I answered simultaneously.... a good thing we agree

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (TheTechnobear) — Sun, 25 May 2014 12:34:44 +0000

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

We are currently working hard on rebuilding the KIViR instruments from ground, and the beta tests will soon start.

how will the KIViR differ to the kremsegg versions? ( where there is an overlap)

we dont want crippled KIViR but on the other hand , I can accept that you (fairly) want to recoup your investement on the kremsegg models. so seems like a 'tricky' issue.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (skip) — Sun, 25 May 2014 06:01:25 +0000

Beto-Music wrote:

And we also heard some very interesting metalic, not synthetic metalic but the vintage natural sounding metalic feeling from such old instruments.

Agreed - I like that metallic quality that you refer to, and I want to hear more of it in the normal/modern piano sounds too. I don't mean very bright and harsh - just a velvety smooth kind of metallic sound. (although I do like a very aggressive forte sound)

Greg.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Sun, 25 May 2014 00:23:56 +0000

Don't hurry...

Ley the Kremsegg pianos sell a bit more.

If KIViR get prime too soon Kremsegg can became less desirable, compared to the free KIViR.

After all you need to invest in the continuous advancement of pianoteq technology. Or perhaps get resources to create "organteq" or "violateq".

:-)

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

Beto-Music wrote:
I would like to know if the actual website mp3 for Walter piano, for example, it's a new recording from V5.
No, all current KIViR recordings on the Pianoteq site are old recordings (the pianoteq version used for the recording is mentioned for each demo, for example "recorded with Pianoteq 3").
We are currently working hard on rebuilding the KIViR instruments from ground, and the beta tests will soon start.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Philippe Guillaume) — Sat, 24 May 2014 20:10:23 +0000

Beto-Music wrote:

I would like to know if the actual website mp3 for Walter piano, for example, it's a new recording from V5.

No, all current KIViR recordings on the Pianoteq site are old recordings (the pianoteq version used for the recording is mentioned for each demo, for example "recorded with Pianoteq 3").

We are currently working hard on rebuilding the KIViR instruments from ground, and the beta tests will soon start.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Sat, 24 May 2014 19:32:21 +0000

Beto-Music wrote:

...By the way, nice performance Jake.

That was just a midi file that I rendered. Not me playing. But this misunderstanding does speak well for the Streicher--very natural sounding.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Sat, 24 May 2014 19:20:53 +0000

The Kremsegg colletion pianos sounds very natural, with a good deal of woodness. The so much requested woodnesss There it is !

And we also heard some very interesting metalic, not synthetic metalic but the vintage natural sounding metalic feeling from such old instruments.

The kIvIr instruments will probably get great after get reworked, like YC5 and D4 after refurbishing.

I would like to know if the actual website mp3 for Walter piano, for example, it's a new recording from V5.

By the way, nice performance Jake.

Re: The J.B. Streicher

null@example.com (Jake Johnson) — Sat, 24 May 2014 17:54:57 +0000

algorhythms wrote:

What a difference the mics can make in v. 5. The sound is quite lovely here with lots of presence. Is the midi file mislabeled? The one you posted is Chopin's E major Etude from Op. 10.
What I like best about the Streicher and the other new historical instruments is how clear and balanced the lowest registers are. This clarity makes all the difference when playing music from their eras.
Thanks for posting this!
Robert

Oops--yes, it is the the Etude Opus 10 N3 in E. I corrected the name in my original post. Thanks.