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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>For &quot;control&quot;, it&#039;s doubtful anybody pianist can do more than 10-15 levels much less 127.</p><p>But what having more levels gives you is the randomness of an acoustic.&nbsp; While you can&#039;t repetitively hit volume 35.3 over and over and over again, it does mean it won&#039;t continually play at 33/33/33/33 when only a precision assembly-line robot could repeat the keys in that manner.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mossy]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-10T07:43:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>beakybird wrote:</cite><blockquote><p> . . . <br />I&#039;m not sure if Pianoteq is capable of receiving high resolution MIDI, but this is the thing of the future. 16,256 velocity values instead of 127.<br /> . . . .</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, Pianoteq receives the &quot;high-resolution&quot; MIDI velocity values -- they show as &quot;35.84&quot;, etc.</p><p>Whether _any_ pianist can reliably control his touch to more than 127 (low-resolution) values -- I suspect not.&nbsp; So the &quot;feature&quot; may have no effect on how well the music comes out.</p><p>.&nbsp; &nbsp; Charles</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-10T04:00:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>beakybird wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>lenuam wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Those are definitely some striking arguments in favor of the Casio...hmmm, guess I&#039;ll have to save a little more, haha.</p></blockquote></div><p>You said your budget was $400-500. The street price for the PX-150 is $499, and I&#039;m sure you can find new ones cheaper and used ones for even less.</p><p>The PX-150 is a good choice is you are using it as a controller for Pianoteq. If you are not using it as a controller, it has a few minuses. No dedicated audio outs, just two headphone outputs. To perform a lot of functions like transpose and operating the metronome, you have to use a combination of buttons and keys.</p></blockquote></div><p>True, it&#039;s just that it appears to be a bit more expensive here in Germany. But the extra charge in comparison to the Yamaha or the Korg isn&#039;t huge by any means and seems to be more than justified by all the features you guys mentioned.</p><p>Yeah I suppose I&#039;d really use it mainly as a controller, I guess none of the digital/stage pianos in this price range are perfect on their own. I guess I would only use it on its own when I don&#039;t feel like using all the gear tech required to run Pianoteq.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[lenuam]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T18:16:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Looking for some recommendations for a relatively cheap digital piano]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>lenuam wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Those are definitely some striking arguments in favor of the Casio...hmmm, guess I&#039;ll have to save a little more, haha.</p></blockquote></div><p>You said your budget was $400-500. The street price for the PX-150 is $499, and I&#039;m sure you can find new ones cheaper and used ones for even less.</p><p>The PX-150 is a good choice is you are using it as a controller for Pianoteq. If you are not using it as a controller, it has a few minuses. No dedicated audio outs, just two headphone outputs. To perform a lot of functions like transpose and operating the metronome, you have to use a combination of buttons and keys.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T18:01:32Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Those are definitely some striking arguments in favor of the Casio...hmmm, guess I&#039;ll have to save a little more, haha.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[lenuam]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T16:52:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You might look into keyboards costing two or three times as much as your budget -- as new keyboards; then look on ebay to see if you can acquire those higher initially priced &#039;boards at a cost within your current budget.</p><p>Cheers, </p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jcfelice88keys]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T15:49:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>+1, happy owner of a PX350</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luc Henrion]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T14:26:41Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Another vote for the Casio PX-150. Here&#039;s a Keyboard Magazine of the PX-350 <a href="http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/casio-privia-px-350/150865.">http://www.keyboardmag.com/article/casi...50/150865.</a> The PX-150 has the identical key bed and grand piano voice. <br />The Casio has three sensors while the other keyboards you are looking at have two. The Casio uses high resolution MIDI while the other keyboards you are looking at don&#039;t. <br />I&#039;m not sure if Pianoteq is capable of receiving high resolution MIDI, but this is the thing of the future. 16,256 velocity values instead of 127.<br />You get the ivory-feel keys. You get the light weight - 25 lbs. <br />To get anything that surpasses this, you will have to spend over $1000. </p><p>I have the Casio PX-350. I&#039;d like to buy the Kawai VPC-1, but it&#039;s not in my budget.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T13:55:21Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>vjau wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Another vote for Casio !</p></blockquote></div><p>I know the CDP200 from Casio, it&#039;s a good keyboard but if you can buy a Studiologic Numanano it&#039;s really, really better.<br />The price is most expensive in new but in bargain it&#039;s possible to find this keyboard in your budget.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lylo]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T06:42:41Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Wow, thank you so much for the warm welcome and all your responses! Really appreciated!</p><p>I did not really think of Casio before, thank you very much for mentioning the PX-150. It does seem like a very good choice indeed. Moreover, I think I would also prefer a harder action which resembles an actual piano a bit more. However, here in Germany, the PX-150 exceeds my desired budget quite little bit...the cheapest price I could find was 566€/780$.</p><p>What do you think about the Korg SP-170? Just happened to see that one while doing some further research.<br />The Studiologic SL-990 Pro seems to have lost the race already for me since I read it doesn&#039;t offer any half-pedaling...</p><p>So the choice is between Yamaha P-35/Casio PX-150 and possibly the Korg SP-170.<br />I think I&#039;ll really just take my laptop, audio interface and a midi cable with me to the store and try these models extensively...it&#039;s just kind of embarrassing because my playing skills are so limited. <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T06:38:34Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Another vote for the PX-150.&nbsp; It has a &quot;MIDI-via-USB&quot; port that works fine with Pianoteq.&nbsp; </p><p>If you use it, you should set the &quot;MIDI dialect&quot; in Pianoteq to &quot;High-Resolution&quot;.&nbsp; The PX-150 (and PX-350, and probably others in the line) have two-byte MIDI velocity, rather than one byte.</p><p>.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp; Charles</p><p>PS -- bias -- I own a PX-350.&nbsp; &nbsp;IMHO, its action is more &quot;piano-like&quot; than the Yamaha GHS action of the P105 (and lower-end models).</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T05:41:38Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve used different models of Yamaha using the same action as the P35.&nbsp; Compared to recommendations here for a Casio PX150, the P35 is a lighter/faster action.&nbsp; I personally would prefer a heavier action because my kids take their lessons on an acoustic so the adjustment is smaller.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T04:25:03Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>No words can replace the chance to go and test yourself several models on a store.</p><p>If you live in a city with a good store with sereval digital pianos for sale, you could get a leptop (with pianoteq instaled )with you and a MIDI cable, and try to play the pianos models yourself.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-05-08T00:15:01Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Another vote for Casio !</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-07T22:10:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Welcome to the forum.&nbsp; <br />Another DP I would suggest you look at is the Casio Privia PX-150.&nbsp; <br />I use a PX-780, and like it a lot.&nbsp; I think the PX-150 would have the same action and is a lot less and should be in that price range. </p><p>Bill</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-05-07T20:00:15Z</updated>
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