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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Keyboard suggestions for Pianoteq only?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The problem with weighted keyboards is that unless the pivot point is a little back from the back end of the keys, the action feels uneven and some of the notes played with your longer fingers will jump out at you.&nbsp; A keyboard with a properly weighted action and nice long leverage is expensive and a beast to carry around.</p><p>Because of this, I just use M-Audio&#039;s very lightly weighted keyboards.&nbsp; I have two of them.&nbsp; One for my studio and one for live playing.&nbsp; Keep in mind that in both cases, piano is just one of the things I do.&nbsp; I also do plenty of strings, synth leads, pads and orchestral parts.&nbsp; For these I also need the pitch and modulation wheels.&nbsp; It also has to be wheels, not a joystick.&nbsp; Most orchestral voices have their volumes controlled by the modulation wheel which works well because it has more precision than 127 values, and is not spring loaded.</p><p>Anyway, here are my two M-Audio keyboards:</p><p>I have this one in my studio:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Keystation88es.html">http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/K...n88es.html</a></p><p>It also comes in black now:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/Keystation88New.html">http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_us/K...88New.html</a></p><p>I use this one live:</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; <a href="http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_ca/ProKeysSono88.html">http://www.m-audio.com/products/en_ca/P...ono88.html</a></p><p>What I like about it is that it&#039;s as small and light as an 88 note keyboard can be and the USB audio interface is built in.&nbsp; To use as a Midi keyboard / USB audio interface, there is a button and key sequence that turns off local control and silences the built in voices.&nbsp; Another cool thing is that you can also mix in another stereo audio source which means that you don&#039;t need a mixer if you use a second keyboard (mine is a Roland VR-09).&nbsp; You can also quickly go to the internal sounds if your PC crashes which can save the day if you are in a group setting.</p><p>As far as the action goes, it is ever so slightly heavier than an organ keyboard, but nothing to brag about.&nbsp; Once you set up a proper Pianoteq curve and play with it for a while, it&#039;s fine though.&nbsp; Light but solid.</p><p>Both of these keyboards are really inexpensive.&nbsp; The midi only one is about $200, and the one with the built in audio interface is about the same price as if you bought that keyboard plus a separate interface.&nbsp; Not for everybody here I know, but I really like them.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[LKingston]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I spent several months visiting Rose Morris in London&#039;s Soho to try and retry their keyboards. They very sweetly allowed me to plug my laptop in and run PTQ so that I could get a really good idea of how they performed. I can&#039;t recommend this approach highly enough. This is a very personal thing, but I found the Kawais they stocked too heavy for my taste, and heavier than most Grands I&#039;ve had access to over the years (I was bought up on a prewar Bechstein and my school had a full size Bosendorfer). In the end I settled on a Roland HP302 and I&#039;ve never regretted it. I have to say they looked amazed when I actually bought it from them rather than saving £150 and buying it from Thomann! One point I should make; if you&#039;re a classical pianist, make sure the keyboard you buy has three pedals.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-09-05T11:21:49Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The standard (and good) answer is to try different ones if you have opportunity. Ideally, you want to play for a period of time and check for hand fatigue. </p><p>I carry around a Casio. It&#039;s bad for fatigue, but great for portability and bang-for-the-buck. At home I have a Kawai MP9000. It gives me no fatigue whatsoever. I think their current VPC/MP-11 type actions are about the best (short of a real piano action). </p><p>I recently tried a Roland RD800. It&#039;s not a bad feeling action and it gave me some fatigue, but not as much as their lower-end models. However at least one reviewer said he found no fatigue with the RD800.</p><p>Chris.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-09-03T22:54:41Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Keyboard suggestions for Pianoteq only?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>iamnemo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I&#039;m really curious about the upcoming Arturia Keylab 88:</p><p><a href="http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/KeyLab88/intro.html">http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/pro...intro.html</a></p><p>On paper it seems to be a pretty formidable controller for the price (US$999 MSRP).</p></blockquote></div><p>To be brutally honest... I am not that impressed by the Fatar actions. They are decent, but the Kawai RH and especially the RM3 action are running circles around all of them. Yes, a VPC comes at almost twice the price, but then again, a thousand bucks is a lot of money to throw at a compromise. And if you want a lot of controls and knobs, just use an external controller like the Korg NanoKONTROL.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>robsogge wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>As a cheap alternative the Casio Cdp100 has served me well for years... Decent key action and light to carry around</p></blockquote></div><p>I have a PX-3 myself which I got at half price through a clearance sale. My suggestion would be a PX-150. It&#039;s not much more than the current CDP-130, and the Privias&#039; action is actually quite decent. A bit on the light side, but very usable.</p><p>So, to cut a long story short: if bang for the buck is what you are looking for, a PX-150 is IMHO the way to go. If a really superiour piano action is what you want, go for the VPC. The Arturia is just a bit too expensive for just a bit too little value. Just my $0.02.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-09-01T19:59:10Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>As a cheap alternative the Casio Cdp100 has served me well for years... Decent key action and light to carry around</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-09-01T18:04:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Andurian wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Groovy: I have those (I&#039;d rather open headphones, but my studio area is stuck between my air conditioner and my heater), and I love them.&nbsp; I can report, unfortunately, that my laptop won&#039;t drive them properly.&nbsp; I use a Scarlett 2i2 to drive mine (and my BX8s), which works fine.</p></blockquote></div><p>Thank you, Andurian!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-09-01T15:35:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Groovy: I have those (I&#039;d rather open headphones, but my studio area is stuck between my air conditioner and my heater), and I love them.&nbsp; I can report, unfortunately, that my laptop won&#039;t drive them properly.&nbsp; I use a Scarlett 2i2 to drive mine (and my BX8s), which works fine.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Andurian]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-09-01T14:58:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Keyboard suggestions for Pianoteq only?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi guys,</p><p>I&#039;m really curious about the upcoming Arturia Keylab 88:</p><p><a href="http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/products/KeyLab88/intro.html">http://www.arturia.com/evolution/en/pro...intro.html</a></p><p>On paper it seems to be a pretty formidable controller for the price (US$999 MSRP).</p><p>Anyone had a chance to try one at a show?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-09-01T11:29:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Keyboard suggestions for Pianoteq only?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>delt wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>duggadugdug wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>my ATH-M50 headphones</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey, i have those exact same headphones, and they sound awesome, i really love them! + they isolate very well from neighbouring noises which is great too <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>Hello,<br />a bit off-topic, sorry, but may I ask you as an owner of ATH-M50, if this model works well directly connected to a notebook? I am looking for a headphone, which has a low enough impedance to be driven from standard laptop-outputs (ATH-M50 has 38 Ohm) , is closed to reduce key-noise and is neither bass-boomy nor bright and fatigue causing. Some would say more on the boring, unspectacular side <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i>.</p><p>So I am quite happy with a light and cheap Beyerdynamic DT 235&nbsp; (32 Ohm) at the moment, which is nicely balanced for Piano-Sounds (and not so bright and over-present as my AKG K520 (32 Ohm) with Pianoteq for example). But I guess an upgrade to slightly more clearness and transparency should be possible, even with a cheap laptop output (ALC283). I once had an old ATH-M40fs, but I found it was always to &quot;midrangey&quot;, nasal and &quot;cheap&quot; sounding for piano (but also for music). - Should I even consider of testing the Audio-Technica &#039;ATH-M50 X&#039;?</p><p>Kind regards</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-08-31T13:48:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello!<br />I am using M-audio 88ES. Cheap, but working fine, usb, 169 euros for 88 keys. I am not a pianist,&nbsp; but with that said, in my opinion it may not be&nbsp; a good idea to take anyones words on a forum as buying advice - you owe it to yourself to go to a store and try out a few. For me, trying many in shops, this was good for me – I am happy.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Pianoteqenthusiast]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-04-07T17:19:56Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>KX-88&nbsp; - - the ORIGINAL <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-06T12:30:03Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>jarosujo wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If you want just midi controller with realistic action as close as possible to grand piano, Kawai VPC is clear winner.<br />I tried few Fatar actions on Nord pianos and they were really bad.</p></blockquote></div><p>...probably right! </p><p>When it comes to portability, I&#039;d recommend Roland A-88 which is not as authentic as vpc1 but to me clearly the best action under 20 Kilos in the present market.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-05T16:23:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>If you want just midi controller with realistic action as close as possible to grand piano, Kawai VPC is clear winner.<br />I tried few Fatar actions on Nord pianos and they were really bad.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-05T11:22:15Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>duggadugdug wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>my ATH-M50 headphones</p></blockquote></div><p>Hey, i have those exact same headphones, and they sound awesome, i really love them! + they isolate very well from neighbouring noises which is great too <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p><div class="quotebox"><cite>duggadugdug wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I am alone in the concert hall with a Steinway...&nbsp; :-)</p></blockquote></div><p>haha, same feeling i get, using my m-audio oxygen88!! Except i need my eyes open to look at what i&#039;m playing, i&#039;m not good enough yet to play without looking at the keyboard.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[delt]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-04-04T23:56:25Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was able to buy a used Fatar Studiologic SL-990 88-key MIDI controller on eBay for $200, and it works *beautifully* with Pianoteq.&nbsp; With that, my ATH-M50 headphones, my favorite FXP (a variant of the Dynamic Jazz 3-Mic), and my closed eyes, I am alone in the concert hall with a Steinway...&nbsp; :-)</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-04-04T23:12:02Z</updated>
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