Modartt user forum - How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (Pianoteqenthusiast) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:44:08 +0000

Hello everybody!
It is interesting to see, that nothing is new under the sun. Why try to imitate so hard something that already exist, when we have Pianoteq? I did the same for years. Since I heard about midi 1983, I began 1989 with Roland U-20, and thought it had the best pianosound. But, new instruments came every year, and I searched years for something that could create already existing pianosunds very well. Now I have Pianoteq and is satisfied. I can create my own pianosunds, that not exist yet. In my opinion - that is something! Incredible! Thanks to Pianoteq sound, I forget time and space and enjoy and enjoy....By the way, sampled pianos is sampled, but now we finally have something different to use – Pianoteq.

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (DonSmith) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 20:06:30 +0000

jcfelice88keys wrote:

I was watching the rather light touch the musician was using in the video, yet the sampled piano sounded loud and full throughout the key range -- this is an indication that the sound was either highly compressed in post processing for the video, or the instrument has an extremely compressed dynamic range.
Cheers,
Joe

I think Joe is right. This video tutorial for Galaxy Pianos compress the range:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Hlf7Sqnj__8

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (delt) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 19:47:12 +0000

oh yeah, can't wait to get my hands on pianoteq 5... !!!!!

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (Beto-Music) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 13:01:23 +0000

The mics are so close to each other in the video...

Why they inented such position for stereo broadcast or stereo recording???

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (Modellingoptimist) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 11:47:40 +0000

In Pianoteq 5 you will be able to replicate the mic position in the video and use mics of the same character. If you're lucky you will get what you're looking for very soon.

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (jcfelice88keys) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 05:15:02 +0000

Hello Mr. Delt,

I have viewed this video twice in its entirety.

I believe what you are hearing is a lack of dynamic range in the sampled piano. I am not kidding: You may wish to try reducing any of Pianoteq's models' dynamic range slider to a level between 10 and 15dB(!).

I was watching the rather light touch the musician was using in the video, yet the sampled piano sounded loud and full throughout the key range -- this is an indication that the sound was either highly compressed in post processing for the video, or the instrument has an extremely compressed dynamic range.

Regarding the various other presets, such as vocal and strings (yes, I know you didn't specifically refer to these sounds), they seem to come from Yamaha's Clavinova series of electronic pianos.

There is something I noticed in the video that you may or may not have caught: Look at how that piano is miked -- they look like cardioid microphones placed at right angles to each other and the two microphones' heads are nearly touching. I suspect they were placed over one of the electronic speakers positioned under the piano's soundboard. Please note there is a so-called "proximity effect" that is heard when cardioid microphones are placed rather close to the sound source -- it's rather similar to how one's recorded voice sounds when the microphone is almost touching the singer's lips ... the proximity effect does make things sound "deeper" than if the microphone has an omnidirectional pick-up pattern, and is positioned several feet to meters away from the sound source.

There is another factor that wasn't mentioned, namely a comparison in audio systems between the amplifiers and speakers in the Yamaha, versus the audio system you are listening to the audio portion of the video.

These are my initial thoughts. Rather than furnish you an fxp of my own design, I might suggest you start first with decreasing the dynamic range slider. In that way, you can get full sounding bass, and the higher overtones will become more present (but not much louder) when you play with higher finger pressure on your keyboard.

Cheers,

Joe

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (custral) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 03:16:53 +0000

You'll have much better chances for your efforts with Pro, and its Note-edit capabilities. And while you save up for it meditate on the fact that seen without glamor-goggles this video is only trivially different than last-year's video, or next year's, while all are produced by experts to hook you, more expensively.

Want beef in the bass? Pro, beef up the fundamentals there. Want more distinctness there? Pro, tweak this harmonic and that.

Re: How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (delt) — Mon, 24 Mar 2014 02:47:17 +0000

...anyone?

How to recreate this ambience/mic/reverb?

null@example.com (delt) — Sun, 23 Mar 2014 05:28:20 +0000

In this video: http://youtu.be/2LhLB8fb3CE?t=1m21s

/* edit */ about 1min.20sec into the video.

The low / low-mid range sounds crisp and powerful, i just can't quite reproduce such a sound in pianoteq!!! Whatever combination of mics, reverb, etc. i use, + EQ settings in my DAW (renoise), delaying channels from each other etc etc.... in pianoteq the lows/low-mids always sounds kind of muddy. Even in the factory presets, it doesn't sound as good as in the video i linked above.

...anyone has any advice for reproducing such a sound?