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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Newbie on why/how PianoTeq is better than any physical synthesizer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>alanmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>So as long as I have a cardboard and plastic mock-up of a Bosendorfer for stage performances (cost to build: $1,600-$2,000), then that&#039;s the only advantage a multi-tens-of-thousands of dollars &quot;real&quot; piano or synthesizer has over a $1,000 PianoTeq setup, if I understand you correctly.</p><p>I can&#039;t believe there aren&#039;t more Yamaha / Roland fans posting replies saying &quot;No! A Yamaha can do X that PianoTeq can&#039;t, and a Roland can do Y that PianoTeq can&#039;t...&quot;</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t think Yamaha has a keyboard with a modelling synth -- they have other instruments though (Trumpet?) using this kind of technology.</p><p>Roland&#039;s V-Piano does have a few options PTQ doesn&#039;t ... and vice versa.&nbsp; But don&#039;t underestimating a single integrated box for somebody who earns a living playing music.&nbsp; Removing extra elements of failure is a big deal.&nbsp; Say you&#039;re on a gig and your laptop&#039;s hard drive dies -- damn, that means you gotta make sure you have 2 laptops you constantly rotate (to keep changes/tweaks sync&#039;d up) and bring them both to every performance.&nbsp; Then of course, you need backup cables, backup speakers and so on.&nbsp; Every gig is a hurried panic of setting up equipment and seeing which pieces of equipment work ... assuming you didn&#039;t leave it behind in the previous gig.</p><p>As for real acoustic instruments, software replacements are still not exactly there yet.&nbsp; Yeah, if you have the typical upright, PTQ is often better because acoustic pianos degrade pretty quickly.&nbsp; The uprights at my kids&#039; music school now play like crap due to the humid climate here -- out of tune, broken keys, etc. -- not fun to play on.&nbsp; But if you&#039;re a classical artist accustomed to your performance grand piano, it sounds and feels like a world apart.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mossy]]></name>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Newbie on why/how PianoTeq is better than any physical synthesizer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Mossy wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>There are reasons for picking an expensive Roland V-Piano.</p><p>There&#039;s many numerous studies that show the visual aspect of music performance impacts audience just as much as the music aspect.&nbsp; Just recently, a study was released showing people could identify &quot;world class&quot; orchestras just from images.&nbsp; But after introducing sound into the videos, people&#039;s ability to identify the orchestras actually decreased.&nbsp; Similar studies showed people could identify who won classical music competition if they saw footage+music -- but it was impossible for them to guess the winners from just listening to the music.</p><p>So say you are a professional music performer on stage ... and you have a small keyboard with wires &amp; speakers &amp; computers in a big rat&#039;s nest.&nbsp; Maybe you&#039;re doing grunge rock or you&#039;re way in the back of a band, this fits in find.&nbsp; But for many other situations, it will impact your ability to reach the audience.&nbsp; While an acoustic grand probably would be best for projecting the image you want, not every location has one or can have one moved there.</p></blockquote></div><p>So as long as I have a cardboard and plastic mock-up of a Bosendorfer for stage performances (cost to build: $1,600-$2,000), then that&#039;s the only advantage a multi-tens-of-thousands of dollars &quot;real&quot; piano or synthesizer has over a $1,000 PianoTeq setup, if I understand you correctly.</p><p>I can&#039;t believe there aren&#039;t more Yamaha / Roland fans posting replies saying &quot;No! A Yamaha can do X that PianoTeq can&#039;t, and a Roland can do Y that PianoTeq can&#039;t...&quot;</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[alanmoore]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-03-10T03:19:27Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Newbie on why/how PianoTeq is better than any physical synthesizer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There are reasons for picking an expensive Roland V-Piano.</p><p>There&#039;s many numerous studies that show the visual aspect of music performance impacts audience just as much as the music aspect.&nbsp; Just recently, a study was released showing people could identify &quot;world class&quot; orchestras just from images.&nbsp; But after introducing sound into the videos, people&#039;s ability to identify the orchestras actually decreased.&nbsp; Similar studies showed people could identify who won classical music competition if they saw footage+music -- but it was impossible for them to guess the winners from just listening to the music.</p><p>So say you are a professional music performer on stage ... and you have a small keyboard with wires &amp; speakers &amp; computers in a big rat&#039;s nest.&nbsp; Maybe you&#039;re doing grunge rock or you&#039;re way in the back of a band, this fits in find.&nbsp; But for many other situations, it will impact your ability to reach the audience.&nbsp; While an acoustic grand probably would be best for projecting the image you want, not every location has one or can have one moved there.</p><p>For us mere mortals messing around at home, there are some technical aspects of the Roland V-Piano that are better.&nbsp; The reviews say you can not only change the string length but the string material and the end results sound completely otherworldly.&nbsp; Roland can also&nbsp; better position the speakers to match where it comes out of an acoustic piano.&nbsp; (You could do the same if you found a junk baby grand to rip out guts and put speakers/computers inside.)&nbsp; For me, it&#039;s not worth $5000+ more but I&#039;m just a hack learning to play.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Mossy]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-03-10T02:10:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Newbie on why/how PianoTeq is better than any physical synthesizer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>alanmoore wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Has PianoTeq destroyed any reason to buy a $8,000 Roland, or an $8,000 Yamaha?</p></blockquote></div><p>uh.. for that kind of price, are you talking about a &quot;real&quot; acoustic piano, or a synthesizer??</p><p>And as for &quot;destroyed any reason&quot; ...depends what you want from such an acoustic piano and/or synth. For me yes, because (1) this system of Pianoteq + linux PC + midi controller functions very well and is very versatile, (2) i don&#039;t need an &quot;all in one&quot; or idiot-proof &quot;easy to use&quot; system, and (3) most importantly, to my ears at least Pianoteq sounds just as good, if not even better, than the best acoustic grand pianos i&#039;ve heard even in person.</p><p>oh and (4) i don&#039;t have $8000 <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i> <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-09T23:29:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Newbie on why/how PianoTeq is better than any physical synthesizer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yes, some people spend money on expensive things…well said. Yes, I agree..we do know better!</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-09T22:05:58Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Newbie on why/how PianoTeq is better than any physical synthesizer]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, some people really just hate dealing with computers and they want an integrated solution. So... let them spend their hard earned cash on those expensive things... because we know better <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2014-03-09T18:39:57Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>So I&#039;m just cluing in on why, as far as I understand, no one should ever again buy a $5,000, or even a $10,000, Yamaha or Roland synthesizer, when they can just buy PianoTeq instead, and that is:</p><p>As long as whatever synthesizer or controller you have can output MIDI signals, then PianoTeq allows your keyboard to create sounds like the pianos that Pianoteq has as presets (super-realistic.)</p><p>So I must be missing something big, because why would anyone spend $8,000 on a Roland, when PianoTeq at $125 (combined with a $400 controller as a physical 88-key keyboard, and a $500 laptop) will not only make better, more realistic piano sound, but also allow you to use other virtual pianos as well?</p><p>Has PianoTeq destroyed any reason to buy a $8,000 Roland, or an $8,000 Yamaha?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[alanmoore]]></name>
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			<updated>2014-03-09T18:06:48Z</updated>
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