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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I hear you!&nbsp; I&#039;ve had similar experiences in the past.&nbsp; I finally decided a few years ago to invest in some better headphones, and reference monitor speakers for my studio setup.&nbsp; Turned out to be a very good investment!&nbsp; <br />My headphones are Sennheiser HD 280 Pro, and the monitor speakers are KRK Rokit 8.&nbsp; And what I like is I can use either the headphones or the reference monitors, and the sound to me, sounds the same.&nbsp; If there&#039;s any question, I usually go to the headphones, but they&#039;re really not that different sounding to me than the speakers.&nbsp; The biggest problem I have now is my ears.&nbsp; They seem to get fatigued after awhile, and I don&#039;t hear what I thought I was hearing.&nbsp; Of course, biggest problem is they&#039;re getting pretty old! Phil</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dreamsmith]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-08-01T03:05:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Funny, after all of this: I just listened, over good stereo speakers, to the mp3 I posted using the deranged version, and I was surprised how different it sounded (as in much worse) from when I played it using headphones. I guess I need to start treating fxp&#039;s like a song, listening over different monitors before posting.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-08-01T00:28:09Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks to both of you! </p><p>As best as I can tell, the improved sound seems to go along with the extra volume, but I&#039;v just gotten used to turning the volume down.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dreamsmith]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-31T20:07:18Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I like it also, and prefer it to the previous version (but I had to reduce the volume to avoid distortion). </p><p>Btw no problem with having other fxp files in your add-on folder, it wont&#039; change anything.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Philippe Guillaume]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-31T19:38:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just downloaded and tried it. </p><p>Sweet sound. A very big, elegant sound. A little loud, however, or at least on my system: I had to immediately turn down my volume.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-31T17:47:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>guillaume,<br />Thank you very much for your comments.&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;I did notice that I had a few fxp files in my &#039;Add-Ons&#039; folder, along with the ptq&#039;s.&nbsp; I ddon&#039;t know if that matters, but I removed them.&nbsp; &nbsp;And I also have been working the past couple days on improving the &#039;WindingPath&#039; fxp.&nbsp; I will post it in a few minutes.</p><p>I would very much appreciate it if you and/or Jake let me know if you can see any improvement.&nbsp; I&#039;m getting a little crazy with all this, and I&#039;m not sure I can tell the difference any more!</p><p>Thalnks again.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dreamsmith]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-31T17:13:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Dreamsmith, I downloaded both files TheWindingPath.mp3 and WindingPath.fxp and I have similar comments as Jake: I like very much the sound in the mp3 but found the sound when using the fxp quite different, with longer decays in the high frequencies… </p><p>This could have several reasons, among which the following: the fxp was created with the Bechstein preset, but if for any reason a user doesn&#039;t have the Bechstein add-on in his add-ons folder at the time he loads the fxp, then the settings are applied to another preset (but still C. Bechstein (1896) (#) appears in the presets menu - which I confess is quite confusing, sorry for that, it is something that will be corrected in the next version).</p><p>Concerning adding more bass and treble, the usual way would be using EQ and/or spectrum profile, but as the current sound already relies on special settings from these two features, it might not be appropriate.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Philippe Guillaume]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-31T16:32:30Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>OK, that&#039;s fine.&nbsp; &nbsp;LOL!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dreamsmith]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-30T22:40:53Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ll call it Winding Path Deranged, since it may create a very different sound from what you originally wanted.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-30T21:04:14Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Jake,&nbsp; <br />No problem.&nbsp; &nbsp;I&#039;m glad you like it.&nbsp; And thanks for the advice!<br />Dreamsmith</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dreamsmith]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-30T20:56:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Dreamsmith,</p><p>Would you mind if I uploaded another fxp based on your Winding Path? (Would use your nice settings for eq and the Spectrum profile but with the shifts I mentioned above for gaining sustain and some other smaller changes.)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-30T20:24:35Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>dreamsmith wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Jake,</p><p>I thought I understood how to add bass or treble for that matter, to a given fxp file.&nbsp; But now I&#039;m not so sure.&nbsp; Could you, at your convenience, talk a little about how to do that?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks,&nbsp; dreamsmith</p></blockquote></div><p>Just loaded the Winding Path.fxp. Strangely, and I think the strangeness on my end, it seems to have longer decays than what I hear on the mp3--a lot longer, so that if I hold down a chord at all, I get long, long notes.</p><p>I&#039;m not sure what to say about adding bass or treble--there are different ways. Generally, of course, there&#039;s just the EQ setting for bass. Small, notched increases in the range of 310-340 hz will give more midrange presence and more sense of wood. Increasing the Full resonance make the bass more full, but it also causes more trebly resonances on upper notes. </p><p>One thing I did notice in the fxp--you increase the Soundboard impedance to gain sustain. This will reduce bass and midrange frequencies a little. I tend to instead move the Direct duration slider almost all the way to the left to increase the length of the more immediate sound of the strings, and then move the Impedance slider almost all the way to the left, too, trying slight variations from there for different sounds. But many people here will do many different things...</p><p>(After playing around with the fxp, I&#039;m not sure that loading a split is a big thing to worry about. I like the sound a lot, though I found myself trying to find ways to reduce the length of held notes.)</p><p>Regardless, Phillipe and the other developers can offer more insights than I can about how to achieve more bass or treble.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-30T20:11:19Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Jake,</p><p>I thought I understood how to add bass or treble for that matter, to a given fxp file.&nbsp; But now I&#039;m not so sure.&nbsp; Could you, at your convenience, talk a little about how to do that?&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Thanks,&nbsp; dreamsmith</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[dreamsmith]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-30T19:37:28Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Dreamsmith,</p><p>I do like this new mp3 of the winding path.fxp, although I haven&#039;t had the chance to experiment with the fxp itself. </p><p>I wanted just a little more bass, though, and, for me, the Q-factor filter cuts in just a little too fast, changing the timbre a little too early. I think I&#039;ll want to move it to the left a bit.</p><p>But the sound, in general, is great. You&#039;ve captured a good Steinway sound. </p><p>(Have you tried working with splits in Cantabile lite at all? Not all that hard to set up if you just download an already created split from the Files area, and then just replace each instance of Pianoteq with your own fxp&#039;s, and then use Save as in Cantabile lite to create the new instrument. After that, you just load the one Cantabile file, which automatically loads all of the correct fxp&#039;s. I ask this because I noticed that the mp3 avoids the bass.)</p><p>Regardless, I&#039;m looking forward to sitting down to try the fxp.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2008-07-30T19:00:23Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Starr's Steinway]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Jake,&nbsp; &nbsp;I don&#039;t really know if my keyboard at home (a Kurzweil K2500sx has any special velocity setting set.&nbsp; I know it has the ability to let the user set velocity curves, but I&#039;ve not had to tinker with it.&nbsp; I like it as it is.&nbsp; Sorry I can&#039;t give you more info there.&nbsp; I also know I like to make the higher piano ranges a little easier to play for my taste, and don&#039;t usually change the lower portion.</p><p>As far as the mp3 file that inspired the fxp:&nbsp; I can&#039;t post it here, but if you go to&nbsp; <a href="http://www.cdbaby.com">www.cdbaby.com</a> and search on &quot;Common Places&quot;, which is the CD that won the CD of the year at the &quot;Whisperings&quot; website for Starr, you&#039;ll see a list of partial mp3&#039;s of the songs on the album.&nbsp; The first and title tune is &quot;Common Places&quot;, and is the sound that I tried to copy on my Pianoteq trial version.&nbsp; At the time, it sounded very similar to Starr&#039;s Steinway piano, which made me very happy.&nbsp; But I learned later, after using it more extensively, that the piano had shortcomings, and&nbsp; I stopped using it.&nbsp; As you can see, though, I still used the Bechstein piano, which I love.&nbsp; </p><p>The other &quot;inspiring&quot; piece of music I used, is a song called, &quot;The Winding Path&quot;, by Kevin Kern.&nbsp; The song is on youtube, so you can hear the entire song at:&nbsp; &nbsp;<a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVrndwBBRyc.">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVrndwBBRyc.</a> </p><p>Now my current piano is the &quot;Winding Path&quot;, that I posted very recently.&nbsp; And to me, it&#039;s a dead ringer for the piano (another Steinway) that Kevin kern uses in the song.&nbsp; In fact, I tried to recreate some of the sang, and even added some effects, and I was happily surprised at how close I came to the recorded song.&nbsp; If only you guys had a &#039;Violinteq&#039; !!<br />Anyway, my &quot;Winding Path&quot; version isn&#039;t very good, and needs more work, but I will post it in a few minutes for you to hear.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2008-07-29T02:59:35Z</updated>
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