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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=953428#p953428</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Not sure I understand the exact nature of the problem. But I use a separate USB-MIDI channel for sustain pedal using one of these gizmos (the cheapest one of the lot I believe):<br /><a href="http://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php">http://www.audiofront.net/MIDIExpression.php</a><br />along with a Yamaha FC3 that has continuous analog output.<br />That&#039;s been working really well for me with KBs that do not support proper &quot;continuous&quot; pedalling.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (SteveLy)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Mar 2018 16:15:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=953390#p953390</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Any update, after almost 5 years? Jack, have you managed to hook up a pedal to your Williams Overture: I am facing the exact same problem!!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (alek1789)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 21 Mar 2018 12:01:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929443#p929443</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>He might mean two things by &#039;volume&#039;, and both of them add up to &#039;I&#039;m no help&#039;. (Well at least he was up to cancelling the deal !) Let&#039;s not discuss him further.</p><p>What I&#039;m going to say next involves a whole lot of links, so you might find it an easier read if you open up a new window for your browser, or a new tab, so you can flick between this page and the new tab or new window, which you keep for the links. Easier than forward/back buttoning.</p><p>A &#039;volume pedal&#039; or an &#039;expression pedal&#039; are two different names for the same thing. And you can tell if you are looking at one by studying the plug that comes out of it. If it&#039;s what&#039;s called a &#039;TRS&#039; plug, there are 3 shiny metal bits at the end, separated by two insulators of black plastic. 3 shiny bits = TRS = volume/expression pedal.</p><p>And as mentioned&nbsp; before about the Roland FP10, a volume pedal, 3 shiny bits (zoom up on it and have a look), it deals in volts, real world. Your Williams keyboard doesn&#039;t have a plug for this. It has MIDI instead. Numbers. Needs a translator from volts to MIDI numbers. That&#039;s what the Pedal Controller is for.</p><p>Now, your keyboard has (should have had) a VERY capable pedal assembly. That should mean it handles what&#039;s called &#039;half pedal&#039;. Have you ever had a real piano? You probably used its pedal as an on-off contraption, stomp the pedal you get Sustain, lift foot and there&#039;s none. But you can operate the pedal IN BETWEEN stomp and lift<br />to CONTROL THE AMOUNT of Sustain you get. Adds to the shades of expression open to you, plenty.</p><p>So, choosing the FP10 was aimed straight at that, and the Pedal Controller HAD to follow. But now you know that ANY pedal with a TRS plug will be a volume/expression pedal, so you&#039;re a smarter shopper just like that. Sweetwater&#039;s no good. Where do you go from here? </p><p><a href="http://music.ashbysolutions.com/midisol.htm">ASHBY SOLUTIONS</a>. Run down to the MidiSolutions Pedal Controller. I&#039;ll quote from it -</p><div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>Adds a continuous controller input to a keyboard that doesn&#039;t have one, like many digital pianos, or the Voce V5.&nbsp; The response curve (taper) of the pedal can be adjusted to give a more even response, and the device works with both Roland and Yamaha plug configurations, figuring out which one you&#039;re using at power-up!</p></blockquote></div><p>- and the quiet nasty there is a MAJOR nuisance with pedals, which can apparently be fixed just by the Pedal Controller itself - I hadn&#039;t known that!</p><p>Here&#039;s the nasty. Electricity has two directions, positive and negative. Keyboard and pedal makers have NO standardisation on which - and that will include Williams. This situation&nbsp; leaves shoppers pretty much buying one brand of pedal with nothing but hope for the best as the prospect. 50% of the time the buy will be wrong. Now modern pianos can be built to sense the pedal you happen to have... but I wouldn&#039;t count on it with Williams. Plus by and large the pedals which come with switches to flip the volts over aren&#039;t TRS. </p><p>But with this Pedal Controller it looks as though the nasty is beat. You can buy any TRS pedal, confident.</p><p>Run further down the page to see the Deal Plans they offer. Pedal Controller is $125 for the unit, with 2 increments of $15 for their 1-year, 2-year Programming arrangements.</p><p>All up, Ashby Solutions looks damn useful. Read what they have to say on their - </p><p><a href="http://music.ashbysolutions.com/">HOME PAGE</a></p><p>- where they look made for you. Get on their CONTACT US tab and see.</p><p>And if that is still No Go, Midi Solutions itself, a Canadian company, looks as if it will play ball also, programming their Pedal Controller for $20, let alone selling it. </p><p> Let&#039;s see how that all goes!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (custral)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Thu, 12 Dec 2013 03:36:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929440#p929440</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The engineer called me and said they failed at getting it to send the proper signal through the midi converting box, and that it needs to be a volume type pedal, whatever that means. Apparently it needs to be something else that won&#039;t have the feel of a pedal, so they canceled the order. There is a mini usb input on the williams piano as well if that helps anyone. Where do I go from here? <i class="far fa-frown smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Spack Jarrow)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Wed, 11 Dec 2013 23:06:10 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929397#p929397</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Definitely, the thing&#039;s a paperweight otherwise.</p><p>ADDED: There&#039;s the real world on one hand, and numbers on the other. MIDI&nbsp; is numbers. What the pedal deals in is volts, real world, and those volts need translating to numbers, else pedal can&#039;t talk to piano. </p><p>And what the pedal has to talk about is how it&#039;s a sustain pedal and here&#039;s the number for its position now. If it says anything different, or nothing, you don&#039;t get Sustain.</p><p>That job, measuring the volts into numbers, then sending a stream of such messages <br />(Me=sustain, Myposition=number), is what the Controller must be programmed to do. Someone will have to do it for you, and the way of the world is they&#039;ll charge for service. Hard to avoid. Thought you might get it as a freebie, but No. </p><p>Fix on Sustain-ing and see this is a needed step, like a taxi ride gets you there.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 19:58:49 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929392#p929392</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The software engineer is saying that it&#039;ll cost me 35 dollars to have them program it and I should just do it. What do you think?</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Spack Jarrow)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 09 Dec 2013 17:05:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929386#p929386</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The controller needs to be set to translate pedal presses to damper movements in the piano&#039;s black-box innards, making Sustain happen. The programming puts the instructions to do that job into it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 23:56:13 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929385#p929385</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thanks Custral!!! Seriously. So I will order these right now and then ask the guy what you said. I don&#039;t understand what he will have to program though <i class="far fa-meh-rolling-eyes smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Spack Jarrow)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 08 Dec 2013 21:26:51 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929374#p929374</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Go to sweetwater.com, look up these -</p><p><a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP10">http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/DP10</a><br /><a href="http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIPC/">http://www.sweetwater.com/store/detail/MIDIPC/</a></p><p>- put them in your Cart. Next &#039;Search&#039; for MIDI CABLE, and put that in your Cart. </p><p>Pay. Result will be you&#039;re assigned a Sales Engineer. Explain things to him (send him a link to the keyboard&#039;s manual), ask him will the hookup work and if No, cancel out. Otherwise go ahead. But get him to program the Pedal Controller as necessary - it&#039;ll keep the result forever once programmed - and, if he needs a speedup on programming point him to <a href="http://midisolutions.com/prodped.htm">http://midisolutions.com/prodped.htm</a> and <a href="http://midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#Programming">http://midisolutions.com/faqs.htm#Programming</a>.</p><p>Also, take note of the DP 10 Pedal&#039;s problem, (and partial-fix), mentioned <a href="http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=355">http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/viewtopic.php?id=355</a>, posts 1 (and 3 respectively). Those posts were mid-2008. Plenty of time for Roland to hear the howls of complaint and fix the problem. Ask the guy.</p><p>That&#039;s what I&#039;d do in your place. The piano&#039;s well reviewed by users, so though this hookup&#039;s not cheap, the outlay seems worth it. Good luck!</p><p>ADDED: BTW, if you&#039;re quick, notice they&#039;ve right now got ONE &#039;demo model&#039; of the second item above (Midi Solutions Pedal Controller) available for some $20 knocked off. Meantime with the standard deal they are &#039;awaiting stock, some weeks&#039;.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 11:53:53 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929370#p929370</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Shop for a free standing Sustain pedal with MIDI output, and make certain it&#039;ll sit stably on the floor while you use it. Run its cable (buy one if needs) to the MIDI IN on the keyboard. </p><p>That&#039;ll get you fixed for the aims you state.</p><p>By the way, there are cables claiming to change USB output to MIDI, and though I&#039;ve never used one I&#039;ve seen they&#039;re cheap. So a possible linkup should be Sustain pedal with USB-out connected to keyboard MIDI IN via such a cable.&nbsp; My advice is try it before you buy; but that&#039;d give you more choices with shopping.</p><p>ADDED: extremely pressed for time just now so hafta sign off quick, but I don&#039;t trust such cables, and MIDI is a dying standard now. Hang fire till I&#039;ve got more time.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 07 Dec 2013 02:18:34 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929367#p929367</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>So any last words and guidance? I have spoken with customer service and the assholes are sticking with the ole&#039; &quot;we don&#039;t make it anymore sorry we can&#039;t help you.&quot; What is the MIDI way? What other ways are there? Keep in my I want to play my piano with a sustain pedal without having to connect my computer everytime... </p><p>Thanks so much guys you&#039;ve been a big help already!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Spack Jarrow)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 06 Dec 2013 18:55:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929142#p929142</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Shh. It&#039;s a puzzle how come this assembly set is missing pedals, but we don&#039;t need that story, just the non-U pedal tells a very clear one about the way forward.</p><p>ADDED: myself I&#039;d go the MIDI-connected way, simple enough. But there&#039;s a missing parts puzzle here, which even the questioner mayn&#039;t know the full scope of, and it&#039;s likely interaction with Customer Service will fill it in better than I can.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 02:04:16 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929141#p929141</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>custral wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>it resembles the old SVHS video connector, but that had 4 signal pins not 6, so it&#039;s unlikely your piano will ever hook up to standard parts - meaning it&#039;s Williams parts or nothing.</p></blockquote></div><p>...or a soldering iron and some trial and error <i class="far fa-smile-beam smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Nov 2013 01:32:35 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929138#p929138</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>The manufacturer is at <a href="http://www.williamspianos.com/products/overture.cfm">http://www.williamspianos.com/products/overture.cfm</a>.</p><p>As you look at the pic there, spot the links to User Manual and Assembly Instructions. Get them, they could help you. From the Manual the pedal plug is non-standard, it resembles the old SVHS video connector, but that had 4 signal pins not 6, so it&#039;s unlikely your piano will ever hook up to standard parts - meaning it&#039;s Williams parts or nothing.</p><p>Hit the SUPPORT link at top of the page and there&#039;s you&#039;ll find lots of helpful links, including Customer Service, Replacement parts, etc. Very interesting is <a href="http://williams.custhelp.com/ci/fattach/get/191166/1365806626/redirect/1/filename/Williams%20Overture%20Parts.pdf">THIS PAGE</a> which gives the Cat. Numbers for pedals and cable, plus board to attach pedals to (if you haven&#039;t got that; gotta have something, to hold the pedals stable).</p><p>Good luck. Think you&#039;ll have it.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 18:46:46 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Help with Sustain Pedal -]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=929135#p929135</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>First off, thanks Custral, I feel like I will finally be able to solve this with some much needed help!</p><p>Unfortunately I don&#039;t want to use Pianoteq but I hope that wont dissuade you from helping me haha.<br />I want to be able to affect the piano (the one in the link is indeed the one I have) using only the stand<br />alone pedals without having to plug it into the computer. There is a uher jack for the triple pedals <br />(will other companies 3 pedal sets work on mine?) and then some Midi Ins and Outs and some Stereos.<br />I believe there is also a usb connection. Could I hook up just a single sustain pedal through the usb?<br />Is there such a thing as a usb pedal and will the piano be able to read its signals?</p><br /><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; Thanks once again, sorry I am structuring this like your customer support, but I really really appreciate it!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Nov 2013 17:14:19 +0000</pubDate>
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