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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>well, in short, that&#039;s exactly what I wrote... do you need fast repeated notes? If yes, the 3 sensor is the answer. Nothing to do with aftertouch, of course. This one comes, well, AFTER the touch! It&#039;s a completely different kind of sensor, responsive to the pressure you apply on the key after the initial strike. It&#039;s typically dedicated to vibato effects on synths.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luc Henrion]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-22T07:30:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>3 sensor tech hasn&#039;t anything to do with aftertouch. During Chopin&#039;s time, grand pianos picked up an improvement to rapid repeated-note-response, known as &#039;repetition&#039;. </p><p>Digital pianos are now trying to incorporate a similar improvement, and I&#039;ll post here a PDF I&#039;ve clipped from some CASIO brochure (which since it&#039;s infoblurb shouldn&#039;t matter) as PRIVIA ACTION.</p><p>The graph is interesting, seems to imply that on the (uncircled) return-crosses of the Sensor 2 level, a note-off will be sent, to match the previous (circled) note-on message. But also implied is that until full key-release is achieved (blue circle) the damper will not be fully-dropped and all sustained sound cease. Further implied is that this action provides for repeated presses to start from different key-depths, allowing for greater velocities to be achieved, as well as lesser ones, on the re-strike. Overall could be a problem for fast staccato (and real grands may have this too), plus may be different from other systems (in particular KAWAI&#039;s, where the sensors are hidden from inspection, so who can know). </p><p>I don&#039;t know what zooming particular PDF readers provide (I use NITRO), but at worst, open it in Adobe Reader and there&#039;ll be zooming. Switch attention to the Action diagram - 400% and a bit of thought taking count of the graph will show how the action works. </p><p>In particular note how very close are the actuating positions of sensors 2 and 3, compared to the relatively enormous gap to key-release (damper ON). Close = fast!</p><p>No idea how aftertouch is implemented, and it&#039;s too new to have any settled industry approach, but polyphonic aftertouch is almost bound to be expensive.</p><p>ADDED: PDF isn&#039;t a file type that can be posted here, so I&#039;ll stick PRIVIA ACTION.PDF in my DropBox, and here&#039;s the <a href="https://www.dropbox.com/s/lxku3rosevm16ih/PRIVIA%20ACTION.pdf">LINK</a>.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[custral]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-22T05:16:37Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Question, isn&#039;t 3 sensors for per-note aftertouch? If not, could someone explain how the 3 sensors thing works?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[delt]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-22T00:28:20Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I completely concur with Beto-Music&#039;s logic, that you need to try several keyboards in a store before you buy anything.&nbsp; One needs to feel how a given keyboard works with your own fingers and sense of touch.&nbsp; Manufacturers are completely aware that many people buy a given product, sight unseen, based on specifications alone.&nbsp; As a result, they sometimes trump up specifications that look good on paper, but have no real musical value to the user.</p><p>Some of my favorite trumped up specifications include the use of &quot;ivorite&quot; and &quot;ebonite&quot; or some similar name to imply the feel of ivory in a keyboard.&nbsp; The irony of this is that ivory has been essentially discontinued and replaced by plastic key coverings, even in the finest real grand pianos manufactured since the early 1950s. </p><p>My own preference for keyboards include those made with wooden keys with plastic key covers, instead of purely plastic keys.&nbsp; The latter have a tendency to deflect sideways, and have a &quot;cheap&quot; feel to them.&nbsp; I also get the feeling that purely plastic black note keys have the capacity of being sheared off, if one were to perform a hard black key glissando on them.</p><p>* * * * * *</p><p>In the end, my suggestion is for you to buy the best quality keyboard you can afford, even if that means spending more money than you had initially intended.&nbsp; If you buy a cheap keyboard, you will be unsatisfied with it in very short order.&nbsp; Conversely, if you buy a more expensive, but substantial keyboard, you will be happy with it for years to come.</p><p>I happen to own an ancient Roland A-80 mother controller keyboard, purchased new in 1990.&nbsp; Other keyboards have come and gone from the market place, but I have never felt the need to &quot;trade up&quot;, despite advertisements for graded hammer action, various escapement emulations, ivorite keyboards, etc., etc.</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jcfelice88keys]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-21T16:20:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>You need to feel it yourself, no matter if it&#039;s 2 or 3 sensors.</p><p>People today buy too much from internet by just looking specifications, without test the product.</p><br /><p>My advice is to go to a music store and play several brands of keyboard.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-21T13:47:17Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>There are other less expensive 3 sensor models on the market, like the Casio PX-350:<br /><a href="http://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/menu_privia/PX-350MWE">http://www.casiomusicgear.com/products/.../PX-350MWE</a><br />Does it happen to you that some fast repeated notes don&#039;t sound? If yes you will enjoy a 3 sensor model. I would love to have one...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Luc Henrion]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-21T07:09:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lai wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Do i really need to care 3 sensor keyboard?</p></blockquote></div><p>If a 3 sensor keyboard is required then there are a lot of us out here who are in big trouble because I&#039;m sure most of us only have 2. I won&#039;t try to say exactly what a 3 sensor board will do for you because I have not used them often but there may be some others here who will try to answer that question.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mabry]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-21T01:58:46Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Does 3 sensor keyboard matter?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi I am from thailand, there is no pianoteq user that i know here.<br />I want to get one digital piano for pianoteq, <br />I am thinking Are&nbsp; those 2 sensor keyboard good for pianoteq to produce nice repetition?<br />I believe most of keyboard out there are 2 sensor keyboard.</p><p>I am considering between <br />P155 Yamaha GH action 2 sensors.<br />FP 80 roland PHA iii ivory feel s with escapment. 3 sensors .<br />Rd700nx PHA iii ivory feel with escapment 3 sensors.&nbsp; High price issue.</p><p>Do i really need to care 3 sensor keyboard?</p><br /><p>Can anyone help me?</p><p>Thank you</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Lai]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-07-20T17:26:18Z</updated>
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