Modartt user forum - Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-09-05T22:11:45Z

Interesting to compare the different performances, samples vs modelling.

And I love this Nocturne. Recently I have typeset a lesser known version of the score of this Nocturne using LilyPond. The original manuscript is in a museum in Mallorca. For who is interested: My copy can be found here:

https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/439...s-moll.pdf

This is the version I personally prefer, but I can understand why very few people play this version...

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-09-05T18:45:10Z

Very low on volume. Could you re-record or re-render it?

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-09-05T17:55:39Z

True keys, is a bit on the low volume side, thats my fault

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i7YqL19iMq0

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-06-18T04:32:45Z

I have neither Mac nor Stage (Pro, sorry, and don't know what features Stage does/doesn't make available to you). However, the Classical BA actually is modeled within a modeled 'box' of sorts, the pianoforte case. Plus when I click on the little microphone icon on (Pro's) Microphone button, the representation I see shows the lid of this grand fully open, with two mikes (of a potential 5)drawn up in stereo config facing the lid-as-reflector some two metres away. Small wonder you'd get Box and Unclear out of that sampling of the soundfield, and if Stage won't let you explore better arrangements, which definitely exist, maybe have a think about upgrading.

ADDED : The point is your ability to change what you hear to what you like better, and you're clearly pecking right at it !

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-06-18T01:39:42Z

custral wrote:

What does sound fine is your ornaments, they're admirable. You aren't detaching notes much, could inject more variety along those lines, up to you what way (for what artistic purpose), but basically what I'm getting at is legato is plain, where detachment can be various, both in stretches of it, and in contrast with legato.

I noticed D4 Classical BA sounds decent, but in general Pianoteq sounds very much like the sound is coming from inside a box. The demos sound good though. Using the "Punchy" preset in the equalizer adds clarity but the demos are supposedly using default presets.

So why is that when I use Pianoteq Stage on my Mac the sound is lacking clarity?

(Sorry to hijack the thread.)

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-06-17T01:38:28Z

What does sound fine is your ornaments, they're admirable. You aren't detaching notes much, could inject more variety along those lines, up to you what way (for what artistic purpose), but basically what I'm getting at is legato is plain, where detachment can be various, both in stretches of it, and in contrast with legato.

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-06-15T22:37:22Z

Is there any chance you could upload one of your recordings as .mid so that I could try it in the Pianoteq player?

I can't seem to make Pianoteq sound as pretty as all the recordings and demos are online. Perhaps it's an issue with the velocity curve? I'm using Yamaha P-35.

As a sample, I just recorded this with the D4 Daily Practice preset, do you think it sounds fine? http://d.pr/a/9gtG

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-04-20T23:39:50Z

U4 shines here.

The dog is a good listener, and should be used to make a advertise comercial for pianoteq.

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-04-18T17:34:23Z

Rohade wrote:

I love the new upright, is an improvement towards the sound of a real acoustic, there are resonances that weren't before, plus the attack is better and sound is more similar to real thing.
...
Dog is happier than ever.

Sounds really lovely. I can understand why your dog is happier than ever . (My cat has not nearly such fashionable eyes, so if you take a picture in the dark it can be glooomily neon-green-metallic - spoooky^^. But this Nocturne with D4, Bluethner or the U4 would calm the cat immediately, so cat and dog would be happy.)

Thanks for this great thread! A pleasure to listen to all the examples you all provide.

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-04-17T00:28:37Z

Oh yeah!, he is a very fashion dog.

And related Pianoteq, I wish they would totally update every piano to the latest technology, maybe on version 5?. For now seems to be Upright, then Bluthner, then D4, others. I for certain feel that Upright is better than Ivory.

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-04-17T00:25:19Z

Very nice. This recording brings out the resonances of which you speak.

(Is your dog wearing turquoise contact lenses?)

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-04-16T23:34:56Z

I love the new upright, is an improvement towards the sound of a real acoustic, there are resonances that weren't before, plus the attack is better and sound is more similar to real thing.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gZbZH07VgZE

Dog is happier than ever.

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-03-05T23:44:12Z

What about the acoustic of a piano like that?

370i by Klavins Pianos

Or Mammoth Piano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...BgehLDM9ew

This gentleman clains to have invented a upright with qualities of a Grand piano:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl...d5fc6eKWqA

Pay attention to the mechanism.

http://www.dreams.org/staff/composer/mu...ch-action/

A spring brings the jack back very shortly after strike, allowing very fast repetition.

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-03-05T11:11:26Z

I completely agree with you.
1. Having also a good grand (not a very, very good, but enough for me!), nothing can beat this feeling.
2. For performances where there is no piano available, Pianoteq is the best replacement for playablility. Adjustment of the keyboard's touch response is of the utmost importance.
3. Until recently, for recordings where the piano has to sit "in a mix", I used both, depending on the kind of music: Pianoteq or sampled pianos. But since the D4, it's always Pianoteq now. INterestingly, I often go for a "Bösendorfer challenge" preset though!
4. For classical recordings of solo piano... well, it will always be a real one, and preferably a "D" ! No choice, in fact... ;-)

Re: Chopin nocturne posth c# minor on Upright and others.

2013-03-04T23:11:46Z

Rohade wrote:

It's so cool you uploaded that, Vienna Imperial is hard to come by and there are not many examples of it and I have always been a bit curious about it, I like how it sounds, seems the many velocity samples pay off, I bet is fun to play.

I think the Vienna Imperial playability is close to the Pianoteq.

Fun? Well, not really for me. I have a very good concert grand at home and nothing can even approaching to it (from a player perspective). I think that hardware components are much more important here than software instruments. The way the sound is physically transfer to my ears and my body as a player is a big factor. Speakers (or headphone) can be very good but the way they produce sonic field is completely different than a real instrument. And, as I mentioning in my first post, electronic keyboards are dull (I tried a lot of models).

But things are completely different from an audience perspective. No need to preserve feeling of the piano's vibrations throw my fingers and my arms to my whole body. Just an instrument playing by someone else at a certain distance from me. Neither, concert hall, CD or virtual instruments are well suite to give us a player perspective. But this audience perspective is as important as the player's one. Sampled or modelling pianos quality can be as good and as bad as good or bad halls, pianos, speakers, recording, etc. But working to make it sounds «great» (depending on personnal taste, music style, etc.) is certainly a reasonable and realistic goal.

For a limited pianist like me, midi editing is a necessity (not just for classical repertory, but for exploring and rendering my own musical ideas too).

[Sorry for my bad english!]