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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well...&nbsp; Wouldn&#039;t be logic that if someone want to adjust a givem pianoteq piano to sound like a imperial piano, to have available not just string lenght adjust but also soundboard lenght?</p><p>Or is soundboard size no longer hight quality enough to the actual quality standart?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-01-13T21:03:05Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 3: Piano Length and String Length]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Is the version 4 adjust String Lenght, a combination of string and soundboard adjust? </p><p>Sorry if I insisted a bit. </p><p> :-)</p></blockquote></div><p>No, &quot;String Length&quot; is string length, nothing else <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i>.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Philippe Guillaume]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-01-13T20:37:01Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Is the version 4 adjust String Lenght, a combination of string and soundboard adjust? </p><br /><p>Sorry if I insisted a bit. <br />&nbsp; </p><p> :-)</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-01-13T18:51:50Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@ vic_france: the &quot;Character&quot; parameter is something else, it is now obsolete (it is there only for compatibility with versions 1 and 2).</p><p>@ Beto-Music: in Pianoteq 2, piano length had the meaning string length. From version 3, &quot;String Length&quot; means string length. In Pianoteq 3, the VST parameter &quot;Piano Size&quot; had the meaning soundboard size. It is now obsolete (no more present in version 4).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Philippe Guillaume]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-01-13T18:27:58Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Philippe, this is strange...</p><p>If I remamber well in version 2, the piano lenght produced the same effect of the string lenght adjust of actual version 4.&nbsp; </p><p>Or is the version 3 (VST) piano lenght adjust a bit different from version 2?</p><br /><p>Anyway what about let both adjust in version 4 ?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-01-13T17:23:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 3: Piano Length and String Length]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><blockquote><p>The &quot;Piano Length&quot; is actually available only as a VST parameter and represents the size of the soundboard, independently of the string length. A different soundboard brings another color to the sound, which is what you have indeed observed.</p></blockquote></div><p>Hi Philippe,<br />I&#039;d never noticed this VST parameter either, so I went looking for it in Pianoteq 4. I didn&#039;t see it in the VST parameter list, but I do see a parameter labeled &quot;Character&quot;.. is this in fact the same parameter?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[vic_france]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-01-13T13:39:54Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>lowendtheory wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I was fiddling with Pianoteq in MuLab and came across an artifact parameter: Piano Length. I thought, &quot;Why two controls for the same parameter?&quot;, but, as I soon discovered, piano length was its own parameter. Changing it produces a different sound I can only quantify as &quot;sound color&quot;, unless I&#039;m just perceiving it as an illusion. What exactly does &quot;Piano Length&quot; change that&#039;s different from &quot;String Length&quot;?</p></blockquote></div><p>The &quot;Piano Length&quot; is actually available only as a VST parameter and represents the size of the soundboard, independently of the string length. A different soundboard brings another color to the sound, which is what you have indeed observed.</p><p>EDIT: BTW, version 3 VST parameter reads &quot;Piano Size&quot;, not &quot;Piano Length&quot;.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Philippe Guillaume]]></name>
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			<updated>2013-01-13T09:06:44Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Soundboard? Cabinet?</p><p>I&#039;ve often wondered about asking for a Zoom tweak to be added to the Microphone display (make no mention of being able to ditch the lid altogether). But it&#039;s possible the piano image we see as it stands is but a dummy, unrelated to any particular instrument except in the particular of how far the lid opens.</p><p>Perhaps one could test that by loading 2 instances of PTQ with different instruments. Suppose the depiction&#039;s different. Then next action&#039;s to load the 2 instances with the same instrument, but different &#039;Piano Length&#039;s (via presets).</p><p>See what happens.</p><p>ADDED: not related to the above 2 suggestions, entire string length from wrestpin to iron frame is another possibility. The PTQ designers delve into the different sounds produced by the 2 lengths from bridge-to-wrestpin and from bridge-to-frame, after all.</p><p>The startup of that issue historically derives from Steinweg&#039;s being advised by Helmholtz, and settling on a particular piano-formant (which I know nothing about, but since the tension for any string&#039;s identical, only the lengths would be operant, and you don&#039;t want to change either tension or fundamental string-length).</p><p>Which would leave only the length from bridge-to-wrestpin available to supply the variation in variable string length. That altered arrangement would certainly alter tone color but not main pitch. </p><p>Alter color NOT according-to-Steinway, or to whatever designs his competitors retaliated with.</p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I was fiddling with Pianoteq in MuLab and came across an artifact parameter: Piano Length. I thought, &quot;Why two controls for the same parameter?&quot;, but, as I soon discovered, piano length was its own parameter. Changing it produces a different sound I can only quantify as &quot;sound color&quot;, unless I&#039;m just perceiving it as an illusion. What exactly does &quot;Piano Length&quot; change that&#039;s different from &quot;String Length&quot;?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2013-01-12T21:58:36Z</updated>
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