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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: I finally got a baby grand but need help from people used to acoustics]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Can you post some mp3&#039;s of music or for that matter problematic notes played on your Erard in the &quot;Other files&quot; area? I&#039;m not sure that I&#039;ve heard many recordings of an Erard.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-12-04T05:14:38Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: I finally got a baby grand but need help from people used to acoustics]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Many old grand pianos need a balance of the keys, complete regulation of the action, cleaning, change of pieces.<br />Some old models can need even a complete replacement of the action itself, if the wood get warped or something like that.</p><p>Half sustein can be very dificult in real grand pianos.&nbsp; Many digital pianos have a easy half sustein, but it&#039;s not a often characteristic in real wold pianos.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-12-02T15:30:33Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: I finally got a baby grand but need help from people used to acoustics]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thank you very much for the very informative and fast answer!</p><p> So that change in resistance near the keybed is normal but can be minimized, right?. It really got me by surprise at first as yes, I never had that on electronic keyboards, I was also googling and saw that some Roland models imitate that resistence near the keybed by emulating that effect of the escape mechanism, wierd enough, I now have more strenght when I play my electric keyboard maybe because of that and I&#039;m getting a better sound when using Pianoteq, I use both acoustic and electronic Piano at this moment.</p><p> I bought the Erard from the same people who made the maintenance, in fact it had some stuck keys at first, double strike keys, uneven action, a pedal wasn&#039;t working and tune was bright in some keys and other details that he fixed when he did the first tune and calibration, however now is when I&#039;m realizing of the escape mechanism resistance and still I guess there are some fixes to make but so far so good. They have like 50 years doing that that&#039;s why I trusted them when I bought the acoustic.</p><p> Regarding the sustain, what paremeter should I change in Pianoteq or to make&nbsp; the note longer?, like resonating for 30 seconds, I now find samples kind of thin and definitively Pianoteq is more closer to an acoustic on everything, just need to get that resonance and I can start working on getting my bad habits behind.</p><p> Another difference that surprised me, is that it&#039;s harder to sound clean and even on piannissimo on a grand but I&#039;m getting used to it. Is there another electronic keyboard that reproduce that change in resistance near the keybed of the grands? mine&#039;s a Yamaha GH3.</p><p>Thanks again for your answer and your time!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rohade]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-12-01T05:42:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: I finally got a baby grand but need help from people used to acoustics]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello Rohade,</p><p>Congratulations on your acquiring a genuine Erard piano with ivory keytops, and thank you for notifying the Pianoteq community of your acquisition.</p><br /><p>Regarding the action of your fine piano:<br />Knowing that your acoustic instrument is about 62 years old, it may be in your best interest to search for an experienced piano technician, one who is able to &quot;polish the capstans&quot; on your piano.&nbsp; The capstans are basically the pivot point (or fulcrum) onto which your wooden keys sit.&nbsp; When your action is serviced by a highly qualified technician, you will most likely find that the conditions you have cited will have been corrected.&nbsp; In addition, your technician will be able to clean and lubricate (correctly) all of the interfaces between moving parts -- especially in the cleaning and regulating of the double escapement.&nbsp; In other words, a good cleaning and regulation of your piano&#039;s action will make it feel as though it were 55 years younger!! </p><p>There is something else you may wish to be made known -- at first, you may find yourself using the sustain pedal too much while playing on your Erard.&nbsp; You see, real grands have much, much more resonance that you could have imagined with sampled or modeled pianos!</p><p>Regarding how to play pianissimo on a grand piano:<br />Eventually you will learn to use your fingers to &quot;pull the notes downward&quot; to their lowermost positions.&nbsp; This means that you must pull &quot;through&quot; the escapement mechanism.&nbsp; If most of your recent playing life has been on digital keyboards, this is something you will need to learn how to do.&nbsp; Of course, if the piano&#039;s action has been cleaned and correctly lubricated, this condition will be minimized for you in advance.</p><p>Best wishes to your prize acquisition!</p><p>If you need any help, there are plenty of people who are more than willing to help you.</p><br /><p>Cheers,</p><p>Joe</p><br /><p>P.S.&nbsp; Regarding a good piano technician -- sometimes the best tuners are just that, namely, tuners.&nbsp; You may still wish to search for a great piano technician, one who restores actions, rather than just a tuner.&nbsp; Anyway, your piano is in tune as of this writing, so it is not wasted time in getting your instrument tuned without the same person performing the regulation.&nbsp; [EDIT:&nbsp; Insist on a certified piano technician to clean, lubricate and regulate your Erard&#039;s action.]</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jcfelice88keys]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-12-01T05:12:13Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hi, I finally could get a baby grand, an Erard and I love the sound of it, I think it was made about 1950 as it has Ivory tops but also overstrung, the sound is really good.</p><p>My problem is that having little experience with acoustic pianos I gotta adapt to the touch, my question is if it&#039;s normal to have two different touches on the keys, I mean, there is one kind of touch on the keys and almost at the end there is another different one, it feels, different. It&#039;s easy to realize it when playing piannissimo, I push the key very softly until certain point and then I gotta use another different strenght to keep going, being the last one harder, is that the escapement click or something, normal?.</p><p>Also, one key is wobbling and makes a clicking noise of the wood clashing against the other key, is a black key and it&#039;s annoying, beyond that, is on tune and works good, an expert already came and tune it and everything but that happened or I realized it, after he came, it&#039;s possible to fix that by myself?.</p><p>Also, pianoteq related, I notice I can do legato and have to be more careful with the sustain pedal on the acoustic, I used to stomp the sustain pedal more on Pianoteq, any tips to reproduce those conditions on pianoteq ?, and wow, I&#039;d love to have an Erard sound on Pianoteq using the last engine.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Rohade]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-12-01T04:51:36Z</updated>
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