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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Working with a sequencer and moving parts?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thanks again, Joe.</p><p>There is currently a discussion on KVR about the sequencer that I mentioned, Metro, which seems to be designed for isolating and moving sections\passages:</p><p><a href="http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=362244">http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=362244</a></p><p>I do not own it and I am not a beta tester for it, so I cannot vouch for it. But it looks interesting and is on sale and has a free demo download. I wish I had more time to experiment right now. (I&#039;m hoping, I suppose, that someone else will review its capabilities and work-flow. <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i> )</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-12-27T22:17:43Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Working with a sequencer and moving parts?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Jake Johnson wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>And Joe,</p><p>Thanks for the suggestion about creating a second track and copying. This makes sense for working in the score view, as well. You&#039;ve probably saved me several hours of work.</p></blockquote></div><br /><p>Hello Jake,</p><p>My pleasure to help you or anyone else in this forum with the double track idea, using two instantiations of Pianoteq.&nbsp; Many happy hours doing things <em>other</em> than chopping up only one track.</p><p>Sincerely,</p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[jcfelice88keys]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-11-28T05:24:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Working with a sequencer and moving parts?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>And Joe,</p><p>Thanks for the suggestion about creating a second track and copying. This makes sense for working in the score view, as well. You&#039;ve probably saved me several hours of work.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-11-27T22:58:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Working with a sequencer and moving parts?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thank-you both for responding. After seeing that over a hundred people had viewed my question without responding, I had come to think that I was fumbling around with something so simple and well-known that it needed no response. (Which may still be the case.)</p><p>I now have Notion, but do not at present have the time needed to explore it fully. I&#039;ll post more about using it with Pianoteq when I can. In the meantime, I hope that you, custral, can find the time to share your experiences with us in the thread about Notion.</p><p>By accident, I ran across another, older sequencer, Metro, by a company named Sagan, that can divide a track into sections easily. I like it, but it has an older-looking interface, is not well-known, and is somewhat expensive. It may not be wonderful from a notation perspective, but it does have a score view and it seems to be good in many ways in terms of defining and manipulating sections, judging from the demo I downloaded:</p><p><a href="http://www.sagantech.biz/">http://www.sagantech.biz/</a>&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>Anyone here familiar with this program? Impressions?</p><p>I ran across it when reading a thread on KVR about lesser-known sequencers:</p><p><a href="http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=365877">http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=365877</a></p><p>Many of the posts in the thread link to sequencers without a score view. But some may be of interest in terms of editing-ease. And I wish I had the time to explore editing in the well-known sequencers, as well. There are at least ten, now?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-11-27T18:12:39Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Working with a sequencer and moving parts?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Thank you for this suggestion -</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>jfelice88keys wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The reason I suggest using a separate instantiation of Pianoteq is so that you will not confound Pianoteq with duplicate midi note on/off commands if you happen to play both tracks at the same time.&nbsp; Otherwise, you may encounter dropped notes or other midi anomalies that occur due to playing one instantiation of Pianoteq through two simultaneous tracks.</p></blockquote></div><p>- it may clarify inconstant behaviour in NOTION, when using multiple voices; suggests a workpast as well.</p><p>The other methods are sensible too.</p><p>ADDED; plus after your saying Digital Performer&#039;s now for PC, I&#039;m for IT. At least I&#039;ll go look. Helpful itself.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[custral]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-11-27T14:14:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Working with a sequencer and moving parts?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Hello Jake,</p><p>I have worked with sequencing of multiple &quot;instruments&quot; in Digital Performer (exclusively Mac platform until only very recently formatted for PC in version 8), and might be able to help you simplify your process.&nbsp; Everything I write here should be entirely compatible with your version of Cubase.</p><p>In the case of writing for piano, with various verses and choruses, I would suggest first that you simply record your piece on a given &quot;master&quot; stereo track without any extra verses and choruses, and keep your master track intact without chopping it into pieces.&nbsp; For convenience, you may wish to add markers to your master track, such as Intro, Verse, Chorus, Variations, Ending.&nbsp; Each of these markers will represent the material from which you select for <span class="bbu">copying</span> (not dragging only) into your eventual &quot;working&quot; track.</p><p>Next, create a second stereo track that is empty at the outset, <em>with a separate instantiation of Pianoteq.</em>&nbsp; This will be the starting point of your &quot;working&quot; track, mentioned above in the previous paragraph.<br />&nbsp; <br />Now, here is where I differ from your method as described in your original post:</p><p>Rather than chopping your master track into pieces that may possibly get lost or corrupted, simply &quot;highlight&quot; your intro in the tracks menu, and then COPY (not drag -- and lose your original intact version) that intro into your working track.&nbsp; Then proceed with COPYING the other parts in as many repetitions as you require from the master track into your working track.</p><p>When you are satisfied with your work, it is only a matter of switching off Pianoteq from your original master file.</p><p>The reason I suggest using a separate instantiation of Pianoteq is so that you will not confound Pianoteq with duplicate midi note on/off commands if you happen to play both tracks at the same time.&nbsp; Otherwise, you may encounter dropped notes or other midi anomalies that occur due to playing one instantiation of Pianoteq through two simultaneous tracks.</p><p>* * * * * * * </p><p>The beauty of the method I described is that you are able to leave your original performance intact.&nbsp; If you need to return to a given piece at some time in the future, you will have retained a copy of your original performance; it will be much easier for you to reconstruct your ideas, than if you had a fragmented master copy after having dragged bits and pieces of a chopped original performance.</p><p>Hope this helps,</p><p>Cheers,</p><p>Joe</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-11-26T18:29:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Working with a sequencer and moving parts?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Can I ask people to discuss how they move parts (as in verse and chorus, A and B sections) around using their sequencer? I&#039;m thinking in terms of a single instrument, here--a piano in other words.</p><p>Using a basic version of Cubase, I&#039;ve started recording a piece and then chopping it up in the Tracks view, moving each section to a different track. This lets me easily move things around. If I want to repeat the verse again before reaching the chorus, it&#039;s simple to drag the chorus over to the right and the verse over to the left. It occurs to me that I could simply record the entire thing to two tracks simultaneously and then select and delete the unwanted sections from each track to reach the same editing situation. Obviously, I could just record the parts to separate tracks, but I dislike the interruption this creates. (All of the methods seem preferable to keeping everything on one track and having to find the section I want and then worrying about overwriting notes.)</p><p>Is this the most efficient way to work? I understand that if there were multiple instruments, this method would become more complex and confusing. But for now I&#039;m thinking in simple, one instrument terms. Or are there other sequencers (with a score editor) that would, in some way I can&#039;t imagine, make the process still more simple?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Jake Johnson]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-11-20T16:16:25Z</updated>
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