The composition and performance was in Notion, and was a terrible muddle, Notion 'wanting' to bash my eardrums in and I resisting with lavish pppp's. Can't think why it played up so badly, unless simultaneously working on PRESTO, and having my system loaded down with everything I'd left simmering, after a long day, accounted for it. What you hear is but a shakedown, from the deafening result Notion 'wanted', it was no controlled affair. Worst session ever, and very surprising.

And you'll notice that I've pushed the hammer noise close to zero, considering where default is, while bumping hammer hardness in Mezzo and Piano. Or did during the session this MP3 derives from, probably isn't in the FXP. That's because something about Bluthner's soundboard, and what the engineers did about it (namely over-softened the hammers), has been giving me the irrits. Is it an over-noisy piano, and they've tackled the noise wrong way?

Anyway, bet you didn't pick that part of the complexity at end is Pedal, used several places for the first time. But you certainly would have done, if the melody stood alone. Glaring new element, but buried now.

Incidentally, during the long lefthand note, at point where a note in RH discords with it, I could detect a tiny wobble in LH's pitch (you may too, though I forget the exact context for the version you hear). Which was, I suspected my Pianoteq, coming via 64-bit, now lacked ASIO4ALL. Checking, found that the most recent version worked both ways. But checking further, the install sends both versions to the X86 folder. Fixed that, with result the tiny wobble's gone. And I'm now using the latest Beta.

Do you remember if this was recorded with the Pianoteq reverb turned on and the Notion master reverb turned off? Or the opposite? Or both on or off? (Does that cover all of the possibilities?)

What's more, the top-down plan for this Recap-section at outset was to LOSE the donner-and-blitzen treatment it gets from piano interpreters, instate here instead a conspicuous DIFF from ordinary presentation, a QUIET(ish) one. So I gave the recap material to that slender voice, Classical Guitar, plus topped that by dropping the octave down to C.G.'s baritone range for the most part (soprano sounds stick out).

Consequence was inevitable: the Pianoteq line had to be toned down hard - set low in pitch, plenty of space between notes and cut up long-lines-of-pattern. Even then, C.G. fights for its moments (though mostly with Handpan, frolicking high up and strongly). It was a juggle, where PT had to sit right down.

I notice this too and it annoys me too, but there's no help for it, here. Results come direct from design.

The design problem's even starker for the preceding section, which in its Mozart-conventional-form is an easing-down from a rowdy passage, readying play for the donner&blitzen contrast the Recap is to make. Since I set out to disagree with that plan, I cut up Mozart's lines and scattered them across eight voices - eight (talk about chances for burial). Yet by use of plenty of soprano and arpeggios and jumping around, Pianoteq does break thru somewhat (and the very last phraselet it makes in this section is a deliberate bring-forward via increase to mP - compare versions to hear the diff - done since I like the phraselet enough to rescue it, it happens to be non-Mozart).

So though I agree with your observation re burial, some, it follows from my perverse CHOICES. Why make them? Simply I want variety, and the challenge of instrumentation forces harder seeking of how-to's, as the project moves on.

To answer your question about dynamic marks, different instruments in the Notion package respond differently to them, and often, differently again in different contexts. That becomes a business of trial and error plus knowing when to quit. Estimating the difficulty a software machine faces in deriving intelligible music from sampling, it's a wonder it can perform at all, let alone at a price of say $250 (sure there's Vienna Symphonic Library; and there's also a stupendous price, together with worries that having paid it how far into the future will it stay functional?). I can't complain, think Notion does pretty well, often even sensitively. 

In the package, I see too, is something called Dynamic Overlay (or the like, forget for the moment), whereby thru a couple of different methods you can impose note-by-note MIDI values on output - where the idea's to curb needing incessant varying-by-dynamic marks. Real life orchs require a conductor and rehearsals, to bring the players into line with some vision, rather than constant score-marks, and this is Notion's equivalent. Limited only by standard MIDI.

But let's revert to how I opened. The more lines, the more burial. I wrote a little piece last week, Pianoteq-only. Its accompaniment (left hand) gets increasingly complex across the piece. Plus increasingly tends to bury its own details, and the melody's.

It's posted. Cross fingers I toed the lines (think I did).

Can you control the envelopes of the instruments directly in Notion? Or do you have to add the articulations with notation markings?

Told to play pizzicato, CBass does, with a 'blonder' tone (which blends well with C. Guitar to near make a composite harp of the pair); and with a lack of reverb to the sampling which lets CBass pick out the diffs between half, quarter & eighth notes accurately, in a way Upright with its reverb-overhang never could. Thus in running passages you get music and rhythmic points made, instead of grumble. Wins everywhere.

On a roll, I sprung for the Jazz Brass Bundle, since the Trumpet that comes routinely with Notion's such a pathetic effort (so's Miroslav's, seems the instrument is difficult so the samplers just don't try). And dropped the Trombone from the bundle straight in-place of Notion's routine effort. Not that I dislike its scratchy edge, but this fat tone to the the replacement calls clear back to Tommy Dorsey, and I'm liking it (may try them in duet later). Plus I hauled out the bundle's Baritone Sax, and made it follow the Bassoon (but a sixth lower, and at far less volume). The result mixes to a composite instrument, for now, I'll redo the sax later, likely by leaving in just the beat-notes and lowest notes. Presently the sax just adds a lot of blowfly-buzz plus occasional pop to the lowest notes on Bassoon. I'll see about Trumpet later.

I also remixed the new material to make it a more worthwhile listen.

No I'm not, I don't have any answers. If the responsible party will inform how 160 kb does NOT conform, I'll toe the line. For that WAS the setting.

Meantime I'll post again. If the responsible party right clicks and chooses Properties, he'll find the MP3 Layer 3 is at 160 kbps, while the size is 1/5 of 10 MB, in fact less.

ADDED - this Tom Pascale plays K310 - if it's the link you mean - is to a page including Tom doing the Presto in video (whereby we learn his instrument's a Yamaha) as well as 3 mp3s of the full K310.

Which put to shame my mere marshaled sound-effects, if mis-taken as fine music, but my aim is widely different - more like those early Norman Ganz jazz sessions at the Philharmonic, where the none-too-occasional honk went down real well, with the crowd. Yays galore!

Posted the PRESTO to as far as it's grown now - that's from ~53 sec to 1'.30". And the former 53" now benefits from a tightening of the reverb more dry-side. Clearer. Plus whatever it coming via Notion 4 adds to What You Hear (there's just no doubt what the new reverb setting does, but whether 64-bit adds to the betterment - ? - I think there's a plus, but it's tiny if so).

It stops next door to the Maggiore section, because I'm totally unresolved how to do it. Jelly.

Is there a link to the recording? I don't see it on the "Other Files" page for this forum. (Are your previous links still active? When I click on the Play wedge in your previous post in this thread, there is no sound, and if I click on the links to the mp3's, I'm taken to dead pages. Is it just me? I'm looking forward to hearing more of Notion's native instruments and how Pianoteq sits in the mix.)

It stops next door to the Maggiore section, because I'm totally unresolved how to do it. Jelly.

I like the jazz stylings of Doug Mackenzie whose midis are available at:  http://www.bushgrafts.com/jazz/midi.htm

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So I posted in the Request for Pianoteq Usage thread, adding I was about to post here. After some research to get best result, this is it now.

I accessed Doug's WAY YOU LOOK TONIGHT (trio) and played it thru PTQ. Naturally it buzzed with parts 2 and 3 so I wanted to clean it down to piano solo - and turned to NOTION3. I'm sure other notation programs will do disambiguation of parts too, and I probably own one, at least. But if 'try pleasing all and please none' is good advice, so should 'don't try to cover every case' be, and I'll stick to NOTION.

As I said in the parent thread to this, a one part midi can be imported to N3 then converted to a score via 1) Edit/Select All; 2) Tools/Convert to Notation. Easy. However this approach applied to this trio leads to a semi- stymie, since either you must live without Pianoteq doing the piano track, but rather the bundled N3 Piano doing it; or you must prepare a score with a PTQ track plus Bass and Drums tracks, then

A)1) Edit/Select All; 2) Edit/Copy; all within the notated window. 3) Paste within the PTQ-ready window. The result at first looks plausible, and is, as far as the PTQ and Bass tracks are concerned.

But the Drums track looks like a dog's breakfast, and if listened to solo (mute the other tracks and push the Drums slider to the roof), you hear only a very occasional touch of wirebrush on snaredrum. Since the Drums track is clearly a lot more complex than the Bass, though considered as a Duo the approach is a success, as a Trio it's another semi-stymie, a flop for getting a full grip on the jazz stylings of Doug Mackenzie.   

So return to the Original notated window, mute Piano and Bass, push Drums to the roof, look and listen. Doug is using at least bongo or similar, plus some kind of pitched percussion. The Drums score too does not look like a dog's breakfast. These semi-stymies only offer each a half-marriage however,.

B) So equip the original notated window with a PTQ track, then copy and paste from the Piano track to PTQ? The sorry result is that only the upper clef music pastes. ANOTHER semi-stymie!

C) The only fix I (yet) know of for B) is to 1) select as many bars from Piano's bass clef as the window now shows, then copy and paste that into the corresponding PTQ measures. 2) Move to the next window of Piano bass clef notes. 3) Do 1) and 2) until the PTQ track stands complete.

Now Doug's trio can be seen and heard as intended. At least, it's as convincing as I've yet managed with N3.

EDIT for tidy. And

ADD: the original to Doug's Drums track reads in N3 as music, and looking at the pitched percussion part of it, there's few pitches, so what he'd hear would be as drone-like as bagpipes, pitchwise. And he'd drop his volume slider accordingly so as not to clobber his Piano. Exactly as his Drums come across in midi.

Since that's so, his Drums is a subtle Rhythm track, and pretty much any pitched percussion sounds you'd use as equivalents should work equally well. You could even assign the different pitches to different instruments, which may be what Doug in fact was using.

http://pianosociety.com/cms/index.php?section=198

should reach the page linking to all 4 contents. Just find K 310 (Tom Pascale) and connect. Yup, I just tried this from here, and *it* works, at least.

ADDED: forgot to add in Trombone above, as one of the Miroslav instruments. It appears (at Pan 3 PM) in a short duel with Bassoon (Pan 10 AM), while PTQ and Handpan fight it out between.

Time for some disburdening - free what's next the aim. True to the thread title I've tried to amplify Mozart K310 3rd movement using Pianoteq and libraries in NOTION 3, to make a small ensembled rework (not that WAM needs my efforts any, rather I need a *plan* to get on with, and this is a ripper). Broadly, a melody line (right hand) is set against a rhythm section (left), to interplay into many many syncopations, always using dead simple means, drop dead neatly.

The Pianoteq instruments are Handpan, PTQ (which do melody), plus Tank (rhythm).

The other instruments are Horn - probably Flugelhorn, Bass (from NOTION's bundled samples). And Bassoon, Flugelhorn, and Classical Guitar (from Miroslav Symphony). In my thinking these do rhythm, though of course melody comes with it.

If you want a fresher on the original piece, here's a video -

http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.wmv

- but if you can't handle Windows Media Video (hint, VLC player should, Win or Mac) here's Audio -- same player, very different performance.

http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.mp3 .

Performer is Tom Pascale, and if you like Tom's Yamaha, here's the rest of the Sonata. 

http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.mp3
http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.mp3

I've posted as much as I've done, as 'K310 PRESTO H 17 PT A.mp3', meaning I intend to follow up with parts B and C.

Hope you like it!

oups! maybe a trouble in links "403 forbiden" appear in all links

The Pianoteq instruments are Handpan, PTQ (which do melody), plus Tank (rhythm).

The other instruments are Horn - probably Flugelhorn, Bass (from NOTION's bundled samples). And Bassoon, Flugelhorn, and Classical Guitar (from Miroslav Symphony). In my thinking these do rhythm, though of course melody comes with it.

If you want a fresher on the original piece, here's a video -

http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.wmv

- but if you can't handle Windows Media Video (hint, VLC player should, Win or Mac) here's Audio -- same player, very different performance.

http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.mp3 .

Performer is Tom Pascale, and if you like Tom's Yamaha, here's the rest of the Sonata. 

http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.mp3
http://server3.pianosociety.com/protect...ascale.mp3

I've posted as much as I've done, as 'K310 PRESTO H 17 PT A.mp3', meaning I intend to follow up with parts B and C.

Hope you like it!