sigasa wrote:

HOWEVER (and you'll probably fall about laughing at this one!, tonight I was having another "GO" at the PNOscan install and I thought to myself, I'll swap the MIDI cable I've got plugged into the TUSB unit of PNOscan with a USB2.0 that came with an external 'Western Digital' hard drive belonging to my wife (yes, I confess, I nicked her USB cable!). I plugged it in and set it all up, and guess what...!

Are you saying that all your problems were solved because you switched from MIDI cables to USB?!? Please elaborate.

<<<<<<CORRECTION>>>>>>

SORRY, I meant to say that I swapped an inferior 'USB' cable for one that actually works, NOT from a MIDI cable to USB. It is important to use a good USB cable with the PNOscan TUSB. The improvement after I switched from using the inferior USB cable to the one supplied with my wife's western digital external hard drive was astonishing.

Apologies for the error

Thank you Mabry

Kindest Regards,

Chris

HOWEVER (and you'll probably fall about laughing at this one!, tonight I was having another "GO" at the PNOscan install and I thought to myself, I'll swap the MIDI cable I've got plugged into the TUSB unit of PNOscan with a USB2.0 that came with an external 'Western Digital' hard drive belonging to my wife (yes, I confess, I nicked her USB cable!). I plugged it in and set it all up, and guess what...!

Are you saying that all your problems were solved because you switched from MIDI cables to USB?!? Please elaborate.

AND yes, midi heaven! Any curve you like practically! EXPO, LINEAR... everything is adjustable with MIDI9's WinNessie setup software 'available to customers from QRS upon request!' I honestly can't think of a better way to play PianoTeq than to choose your favourie keybed, fit PNOscan and enjoy! That's what I'll be doing anyhow now that the pilot project is complete.

I can think of a FAR better way: let the developers simply implement finer MIDI velocity adjustment (separate curves over 3-4 user-adjustable ranges, or note editor adjustment). Going through your 2-3 year-long pain-in-the-ass rigmarole is NOT what I'd call ideal. As a software, Pianoteq ITSELF should be adjustable to yield an even response from ANY keyboard...

I'm curious...

How much cost a PNOscan kit (including discount for pianoteq's owners) ?

£750 retail - 20% (£150) = £600 GB Pounds

How is the feeling when instaled in a real piano action ?

I've never played it in a real piano!

What's the difference from a real piano, in terms of key response, ?

If set up correctly, none

Does it have key release velocity?

I'm not sure if it sends it - it certainly reads it however

Hope this helps

Kindest Regards,

Chris

How much cost a PNOscan kit (including discount for pianoteq's owners) ?

How is the feeling when instaled in a real piano action ?

What's the difference from a real piano, in terms of key response, ?

Does it have key release velocity?

Go with the Roland RD-700NX. How many times do I have to tell you?

If you don't believe me, take your laptop to the store and play Pianoteq with various keyboards. Also play them alone. I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

I found the Yamahas to be oversensitive in the upper register when using Pianoteq; barely striking the keys produced a loud sound, while I'd have to play harder than normal in the middle range. That's why I've been PLEADING with Pianoteq since day 1 to include some sort of finer MIDI velocity adjustment--different keyboards DO output different velocity curves in different ranges. The RD-700NX with Pianoteq gives me the most even response, and it's still not perfect.

Giving users finer control over the MIDI velocity would be another great selling point.

Did I mention the developers ought to provide finer MIDI velocity adjustment?

Thank you Joshua. Funny how things work out! I'd been thinking for the last couple of days of looking into purchasing the Roland FP-7F. Has PHAIII-S which is basically PHAIII without the dreadful fake wood effect!
HOWEVER (and you'll probably fall about laughing at this one!, tonight I was having another "GO" at the PNOscan install and I thought to myself, I'll swap the MIDI cable I've got plugged into the TUSB unit of PNOscan with a USB2.0 that came with an external 'Western Digital' hard drive belonging to my wife (yes, I confess, I nicked her USB cable!). I plugged it in and set it all up, and guess what...! Yes, I've wasted 11 months faffing around working so hard to do something completely and utterly unecessary!!! The claims of QRS are perfectly true - you don't have to have a well regulated board (believe me, after all the messing about with the TP40WOOD, it's far from even... alas!). It just like I've got a brand new board (except for the wear and tear etc.). I will post a demo tomorrow and I would have liked to have shot some videos of the install but they'll have to wait. PNOscan is just so so clever. The computations take EVERTHING into account! The only thing I have to do is just check the black/white key balance.

SO, Yes, I do like Roland's PHAIII, but what I'd really like to do now is invest in a new keybed and a new PNOscan kit. There are only a few keybeds I know of that I would entertain using. One would be the TP400 used in the original NUMA (White) which I understand has better repetition due to having hollow plastic keys instead of wood embedded. Another would be the Kawai RM3. PHAIII would be nice, but I must admit, I prefer a slighly heavier feel to be honest with you. Escapement is something I like and I do feel it on the TP40WOOD now that the rubber plungers (silicone contacts) have been removed. Of course, the RM3 and indeed, the PHAIII also have this feature as does the TP400 - the TP40WOOD's cousin!

AND yes, midi heaven! Any curve you like practically! EXPO, LINEAR... everything is adjustable with MIDI9's WinNessie setup software 'available to customers from QRS upon request!' I honestly can't think of a better way to play PianoTeq than to choose your favourie keybed, fit PNOscan and enjoy! That's what I'll be doing anyhow now that the pilot project is complete.

Finally, if you Joshua, or indeed anybody else reading this, know(s) of a keybed that would be better than either the Kawai RM3, the Fatar TP400, (or the PHAIII), PLEASE be sure to run it by me.

Thank you Joshua,

Kindest Regards,

Chris

If you don't believe me, take your laptop to the store and play Pianoteq with various keyboards. Also play them alone. I think you'll come to the same conclusion.

I found the Yamahas to be oversensitive in the upper register when using Pianoteq; barely striking the keys produced a loud sound, while I'd have to play harder than normal in the middle range. That's why I've been PLEADING with Pianoteq since day 1 to include some sort of finer MIDI velocity adjustment--different keyboards DO output different velocity curves in different ranges. The RD-700NX with Pianoteq gives me the most even response, and it's still not perfect.

Giving users finer control over the MIDI velocity would be another great selling point.

Did I mention the developers ought to provide finer MIDI velocity adjustment?

Kindest Regards,

Chris

I went looking for digital pianos with good actions and settled on a Korg SP250. The sounds are blah and the MIDI is limited but the action is quite nice and it comes with a stand and continuous-action damper pedal for $700 in Canada. A very nice Pianoteq companion.

Doug, I really like the Korg SP250 RH3 action and after another intense internet review search and study
I have decided to go for the black version - with the black speaker grill

Like yourself, lots of people like the RH3 and I'm going to purchase it tomorrow morning (Thursday).

Thank you all for all your advice and I shall report on the Korg and it's RH3.

Thanks again,

Kindest Regards,

Chris

I was seriously contemplating the Casio PX3. There seems to be so many divided opinions and of
course, alot is subjective, but I am intrigued by the fact that the PX3 not only has a bunch of sounds
(good or otherwise), so much midi capability, ivory feel keys, triple sensor and is very light.

I am going to the shop tomorrow (Thursday 17th May) so I would really appreciate some more input
on the Casio PX3 in addition to what's already been provided.

Thank you all,

Kindest Regards,

Chris

At the very least, make sure you give Casio a solid chance before buying the P95...sure the sound on the Casio isn't nearly as good as the Yamaha (but again, some may disagree, can't figure many would though), but you're using Pianoteq, so that doesn't matter.

There is the dependability issue and brand reputation of Yamaha over Casio...either way you put it, you still have likely the same warranty (although you might want to double check that). Good luck!

I just bought the StudioLogic Acuna 88 (about 490 euro). I'm more than happy with it. Besides the very nice action, which suits me very well, it is light-weight (approx. 14 kg). For me, an important fact when dragging it around between gigs.

Cheers,
Herman