Modartt user forum - PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-07T11:34:43Z

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Raymond

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-03T20:11:58Z

But I was never a big fan of Pianoteq V3. Indeed I made several complains about thin sound of V3, specially for FF and FFF.
I had not watched the entire video to get the FF and FFF metalic sound typical of V3.

Now V4 did a huge improvement making it far more natural.

joshuasethcomposer wrote:

etto wrote:
Beto-Music wrote:
Your upright have some notes sounding thin and artificial.
Beto, it's not an upright Is PTQ 3 with C3 model
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! The beauty of an inadvertently blind test.

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-03T13:06:13Z

RaymondRobijns wrote:

I won't post anymore music here. I am too old to accept this unacceptable behaviour.

Huh? Everyone lauded your playing. So what if some people don't like the tone? That's not your fault. You're too old to be butthurt.

etto wrote:

Beto-Music wrote:
Your upright have some notes sounding thin and artificial.
Beto, it's not an upright Is PTQ 3 with C3 model

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAA!!!!! The beauty of an inadvertently blind test.

Anyway, Philippe got on the case and made me an fxp. I did listen to some of the samples on the uploads page and immediately thought they sounded better than the samples made in this thread. I do now think that D4 is an improvement in some ways. But I still think it's a bit thin and worn-out sounding. The nasal quality is still there, but of a different sort. It's more of an ahhh than an eeee, if that makes sense. I think it's an EQ issue, but it might originate in the transient part. If I were the developers, I'd break the tone into tiny pieces, extend/loop each, and compare the EQ to an equivalently broken up tone from a real grand piano. I think it'd be futile to compare them with normal playing because of the transients. That's why I think breaking up the tone into small pieces, particularly the first half a second or so, and looping each piece might better reveal the discrepancies. (Just some n00b speculation.)

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T22:08:50Z

Here's a link to a MIDI of the DeFalla piece. So you can listen to the illustration FXP, on D4, without having to play it from PDF (much easier, immediate), - or having to lissen a MP3 (not the best, eliminates most of your chance to hear the item in question).

It's a long and various piece, so if vigorous glissandi in the thre-cord range sound "AWFUL", well move along to later, they aren't the rule everywhere..

http://www.piano-e-competition.com/ecom...uchi04.mid

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T21:25:24Z

RaymondRobijns wrote:

creart wrote:
Raymond, please don't let yourself be discouraged by nasty comments - at the moment there seems to be a strong 'pro/contra' mood going on that will hopefully settle down soon...
Hans
I am not discouraged. Only I won't post anymore music here. I am too old to accept this unacceptable behaviour. By the way, your website is great and hopefully your company will grow against all odds of today's economic forecasts.
Greetings,
Raymond

And indeed unacceptable it is, I agree... but still too bad it will keep you from posting music - as so often some seem to have influence on many....

btw were you talking about my website? Or Modartts' ?
If it was about mine - than thanks for the compliment and for the hope that I share :-)
If about Modartts' then indeed it's a good website and I hope that Pianoteq will keep growing and convincing people of what modeling software can do - but the purists among us will always find flaws, maybe even just for the sake of it...
cheers
Hans

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T21:02:57Z

Now I watched until the end of the long video. The Forte moments shows it was version 3.

But it was holding very well during piano and mezzo, a nice melody.

V4 advantage it's specially clear during forte moments, making V4 vastly superior to V3.

Not sure what was made to get the sound of wood, or if it was the mic, or also the psychology suggestion, audivisual association... ... It was so dark, the room, I was suggested it was a black upright.

Also, the fact it was a youtube video recording using simple web devices, lend me believe the sound in reality was better than what I could get from youtube, making me subtract that factor.

etto wrote:

Beto-Music wrote:
Your upright have some notes sounding thin and artificial.
Beto, it's not an upright Is PTQ 3 with C3 model

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T20:19:20Z

Beto-Music wrote:

Your upright have some notes sounding thin and artificial.

Beto, it's not an upright Is PTQ 3 with C3 model

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T19:35:14Z

Your upright have some notes sounding thin and artificial.
The bass it's a bit flat hereand there.

After hear people over complaining about any metal on notes and any thin aspect, or few flat note on bas... ... now all real pianos have defects for me too.

If you try D4 Player Clean, with reducing some hammer hardness, and working some notes you don't like, since you can change note by note on V4pro, I think you will get a result that it's very close to this piano of yours, in terms of naturality. Sure it will have less woodness, but this piano it's a upright, and have even too much of of it.

By the way, I liked your playing very much.

joshuasethcomposer wrote:

EvilDragon wrote:
Awful? Really? You gotta be kidding me...

It's amazing how people hear things differently. In this case, disappointingly so, because if anything v4 is a lot LESS nasal or synthetic sounding than any previous Pianoteq version...
You REALLY think it sounds better/more authentic than this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtiTyMlqAU
HELL NO! Not by a long shot. Maybe it's RaymondRobijns's settings, but there's just no comparison between v3 C3 and v4 D4 (at least that I have yet to hear).

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T19:33:53Z

creart wrote:

Raymond, please don't let yourself be discouraged by nasty comments - at the moment there seems to be a strong 'pro/contra' mood going on that will hopefully settle down soon...
Hans

I am not discouraged. Only I won't post anymore music here. I am too old to accept this unacceptable behaviour. By the way, your website is great and hopefully your company will grow against all odds of today's economic forecasts.

Greetings,

Raymond

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T13:30:03Z

Raymond, please don't let yourself be discouraged by nasty comments - at the moment there seems to be a strong 'pro/contra' mood going on that will hopefully settle down soon...
In the end I think all of us just want to be able to play the music that we like with an instrument that we like...
If one had the money and room for a Steinway but didn't like the instruments' sound I am quite sure he/she would look for an other pianobrand elsewhere without shouting at the Steinway dealer that he would have to change his pianos....
Somehow I feel that this is what's happening here now...

Please don't stop your contributions in here.. keep up the good work!

cheers
Hans

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T12:35:45Z

Strange comments. Some guys just shoot and hide behind some examples, without putting some of their own on this forum. No more contributions from this side. Good bye.

Raymond

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T11:16:46Z

To my ears and fingerd D4 is a definitive improvement over C3 and M3... Perhaps we like different piano sounds.

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T11:14:06Z

EvilDragon wrote:

Awful? Really? You gotta be kidding me...

It's amazing how people hear things differently. In this case, disappointingly so, because if anything v4 is a lot LESS nasal or synthetic sounding than any previous Pianoteq version...

You REALLY think it sounds better/more authentic than this? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cVtiTyMlqAU

HELL NO! Not by a long shot. Maybe it's RaymondRobijns's settings, but there's just no comparison between v3 C3 and v4 D4 (at least that I have yet to hear).

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T09:46:30Z

joshuasethcomposer wrote:

I'm sorry, but that sounds AWFUL.
...
PT synth/nasal sound is still there, perhaps more so in v4.

Awful? Really? You gotta be kidding me...

It's amazing how people hear things differently. In this case, disappointingly so, because if anything v4 is a lot LESS nasal or synthetic sounding than any previous Pianoteq version...

Re: PianoTeq 4 - judge for yourself

2012-05-02T09:38:46Z

I'm sorry, but that sounds AWFUL. Nice playing though.

I think this is a classic case of "be careful what you wish for...." I'm sure we were all hankering for a Steinway model, but in hindsight I think they would've been better off finessing C3 and M3. I haven't had much time to tinker with v4, but I'm using v3 for recording right now because it just sounds and responds better. I'm sure some might argue that I need to spend more time with it, and I will when I get the chance.

In summary:

C3 was rich but a bit muddy. Would've been nice to hear that remedied. I always felt K was a compromise in that it was more articulate at the expense of richness.
PT synth/nasal sound is still there, perhaps more so in v4.
The response seems to differ a bit from v3. The upper registers seem a bit more sensitive. I still think there should be a least rough MIDI velocity adjustment over different ranges, not just a single curve that applies to all keys.

I'd have to give the edge to V-Piano, except the price and form factor make it unreasonable (for me). Point is, I know it's possible to get a better, more authentic tone from modeling. But I'm still relatively happy with v3.