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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>An old thread, over 4 years since the last &quot;opinions&quot; were expressed.</p><p>We now have prices on physys, which now has a per note editor(optional, via PC), later versions of ptq, etc.</p><p>So, now that some folk have now actually SEEN,&nbsp; PLAYED and even BOUGHT physis - also other developments in the market - what are people&#039;s current thoughts ?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[aandrmusic]]></name>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Yesterday I emailed Viscount for more info about the US market and they replied that Physis should be available here &quot;towards the end of the year,&quot; and apparently they haven&#039;t yet picked a distribution channel.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[involution]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-13T15:13:13Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s called marketing. However, you always have a choice to choose what you want. In my case, I don&#039;t need no stinky CRTs taking over half of my table.</p><br /><p>Can we please move on to the actual topic?</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EvilDragon]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-10T07:19:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s a lie cause thay never said this is worse than CRT but just keeping saying that had improvements for color etc.<br />Why everyone stay in silence, not comment about the the inferior color and contrast gamma ???</p><p>Sometime I feel like was in the film The Body Snatchers...&nbsp; &nbsp;the final scene when guy look to another and all people was in possession of aliens, making funny faces and noise.<br />Háaa háaa háaaaaaaa...<br />:-)</p><p><a href="http://nukethefridge.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/10/16539.jpg">http://nukethefridge.com/wp-content/upl.../16539.jpg</a></p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>It&#039;s not a &quot;lie from media&quot;. It&#039;s a choice and convenience.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-10T00:35:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>It&#039;s not a &quot;lie from media&quot;. It&#039;s a choice and convenience.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EvilDragon]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-10T00:29:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>All LCDs I saw had few distortions.&nbsp; </p><p>Take a image with some degradee, and move you head horizontally about a inch or two. The degradee will change a bit.&nbsp; This distance from right to left eye it&#039;s more than 2 inchs.</p><p>Also if you change the angle of your head vertically, the contrast will change.</p><p>I challenge any human being of Earth to show me a LCD monitor than I like or approve.</p><p>Come on... put a good CRT by side of a LCD, displaying the same imagem, and you will see LCD it&#039;s not good.</p><p>I will keep using CRT, and even fixing technical defects on it it happen, as long as I can. I refuse to use a LCD as monitor. I refuse this worldwide lie from media.</p><p>For me it&#039;s impossible to accept this technology.&nbsp; How can I use such garbage, if for example I need to contrast grading a image, but don&#039;t know what image it&#039;s true, the image 2 inchs to side or two inchs from another, or 2 inchs upper or dow ?????</p><br /><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I must say that I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. I have perfect eyesight, and I see absolutely NO differences between my right and left eye in contrast and brightness, when looking from the same point at my LCD.</p><br /><p>Must be I&#039;m mad, right?</p><br /><p>Get used to it, as the world is not going back to CRTs. <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The angle view, for me, do not need to get to the point of generate negative image areas to be considered a crap from hell. <br />Just a small change in head position, as little 50% of a inch, already create some distortion in shadow areas, like the pianoteq image layout on the top of this page.&nbsp; And the simple distance from the right eye to the left eye are enough to create some diferent contrast/brigtness, so one eye see a image contrast and the other eye say another.</p><p>I really hate LCD, even the modern ones, the LED iluminated one, all models.&nbsp; I just can&#039;t accept that something called modern be worde than a old CRT.</p><p>I tried to use one once and I just could not stand in front of that thing. That thing make me sick.</p></blockquote></div></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-10T00:26:28Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I must say that I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. I have perfect eyesight, and I see absolutely NO differences between my right and left eye in contrast and brightness, when looking from the same point at my LCD.</p><p>Must be I&#039;m mad, right?</p><p>Get used to it, as the world is not going back to CRTs. <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>+10000000 <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p><p>and by the way... What do you think about the erratic behavior of male beetles of New Guinea between May 12 and September 23 at 6:04 p.m. ??? <i class="far fa-grin-tears smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-09T07:25:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: did someone heard something about physis piano ???]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I must say that I have no idea what you&#039;re talking about. I have perfect eyesight, and I see absolutely NO differences between my right and left eye in contrast and brightness, when looking from the same point at my LCD.</p><br /><p>Must be I&#039;m mad, right?</p><br /><p>Get used to it, as the world is not going back to CRTs. <i class="far fa-laugh smiley"></i></p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>The angle view, for me, do not need to get to the point of generate negative image areas to be considered a crap from hell. <br />Just a small change in head position, as little 50% of a inch, already create some distortion in shadow areas, like the pianoteq image layout on the top of this page.&nbsp; And the simple distance from the right eye to the left eye are enough to create some diferent contrast/brigtness, so one eye see a image contrast and the other eye say another.</p><p>I really hate LCD, even the modern ones, the LED iluminated one, all models.&nbsp; I just can&#039;t accept that something called modern be worde than a old CRT.</p><p>I tried to use one once and I just could not stand in front of that thing. That thing make me sick.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-09T06:27:33Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>The angle view, for me, do not need to get to the point of generate negative image areas to be considered a crap from hell. <br />Just a small change in head position, as little 50% of a inch, already create some distortion in shadow areas, like the pianoteq image layout on the top of this page.&nbsp; And the simple distance from the right eye to the left eye are enough to create some diferent contrast/brigtness, so one eye see a image contrast and the other eye say another.</p><p>I really hate LCD, even the modern ones, the LED iluminated one, all models.&nbsp; I just can&#039;t accept that something called modern be worde than a old CRT.</p><p>I tried to use one once and I just could not stand in front of that thing. That thing make me sick.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I love my LCD, yes. LCDs have improved with time, and the technology is still advancing. I love how compact they are. I don&#039;t do graphics, so color precision is not of the utmost importance to me. They work well, they consume a lot less electricity, and are cheaper than CRTs. What&#039;s not to love? <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p><p>The angle view problem? Well in 99.9% of cases you&#039;re looking STRAIGHT at the monitor, and not from the sides. <i class="far fa-meh-rolling-eyes smiley"></i> Come on, man! That, and for quite a while higher tier LCDs have 175° viewing angle or something like that...</p><p>For me, an LCD is a portable companion which doesn&#039;t punish your spine when you want to move it. <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i> And I think you&#039;re overreacting to the whole thing just a little bit. Millions use them without any issues...</p><br /><p>But what does this have to do with this topic?</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-09T04:12:25Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: did someone heard something about physis piano ???]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I love my LCD, yes. LCDs have improved with time, and the technology is still advancing. I love how compact they are. I don&#039;t do graphics, so color precision is not of the utmost importance to me. They work well, they consume a lot less electricity, and are cheaper than CRTs. What&#039;s not to love? <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p><p>The angle view problem? Well in 99.9% of cases you&#039;re looking STRAIGHT at the monitor, and not from the sides. <i class="far fa-meh-rolling-eyes smiley"></i> Come on, man! That, and for quite a while higher tier LCDs have 175° viewing angle or something like that...</p><p>For me, an LCD is a portable companion which doesn&#039;t punish your spine when you want to move it. <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i> And I think you&#039;re overreacting to the whole thing just a little bit. Millions use them without any issues...</p><br /><p>But what does this have to do with this topic?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-08T23:23:00Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Please don&#039;t tell me you love LCD computer monitor technology ...</p><p>I can&#039;t understand how so many people ignore the angle view problem, and the fact that if you move the head just a inch, the contrast and brightness look different a bit.&nbsp; In other words, the distant between the right to left eye it&#039;s enough to change the contrast/brightness a bit. So what the right eye see it&#039;s not the same contrast/brighness the left eye see.</p><p>I&#039;m alergic to LCD monitor, I just can&#039;t stand in front one, cause it make frustrated and made fool by marketing lie campagne.</p><p>People eat this thing just because most have a retangular screen and slim design.</p><p>One day I will put a LCD inside a CRT monitor body, just to people see how silly LCD is.</p><p>For me LCD it&#039;s like a digital piano with just 2 layers per note, no re-pedaling, no halph pedal, no pedal ressonance, no simpathetic ressonance... and crap speakers.</p><br /><div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>That&#039;s tough... I&#039;ve never had a lot of problems with my PCs...</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Beto-Music]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-08T21:22:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Actually Yamaha VL-1 did a pretty darn awesome job of modelling wind instruments. I don&#039;t think sampling is the way to go for wind instruments, because it&#039;s just too many different articulations happening, harmonics, overblowing and whatnot. All those variances are much more convenient for modelling.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EvilDragon]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-08T17:32:24Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Id like to add to the discussion which, a bit off topic, dealing with sampling or modelling organs/pianos. </p><p>ORGANS AND HARPSICHORDS<br />Organs and harpsichords are, in my view very suitable for sampling. Because they dont have dynamic variance a layering of say 8 samples per note and another 4-8 of release samples make a suitable recording. In fact a sampled organ or harpsichord is what I prefer over modelling. </p><p>I love that pianoteq includes two harpsichords and I really hope for more historical instruments like more harpsichords or perhaps a clavichord ! But for the time being, I use a sampled harpsichord whenever I want to explore the art of the fugue.</p><p>PIANO<br />Talking about piano is a totally different story in the light of pianoteq. The sampled pianos a couple of years ago with say 4-8 layers of samples per note just didnt sound or feel right. So they added more samples, and more, and more. Until you would end up with a ridiculousy big sample library of just one single piano. And of course, even with a huge library, the sympathetic resonance was missing. </p><p>In my mind, moddart has done something extrordinary creating pianoteq. I keep and old Danemann upright from 1920 which I tune and maintain myself and love and cherish and soforth. But playing on my roland fp5 with pianoteq is something exquisit and extraordinary, I prefer it over any sample library and also over real pianos and grands, because Ive get to adjust the touch, and feel, and sound to my exact preference.</p><p>WIND INSTRUMENTS<br />Want to add something further to the debate about sampling vs modelling. <br />Talking about any windinstrument - I believe the best way to go is samples. Given that the tone is even more complex in a windinstrument then in a piano, to create a modelling of it would be strange. How to modell the small variances of airflow in a human way ?</p><p>Summing up my post:</p><p>Harpsichords and organs - sample them!</p><p>Piano - pianoteq !!! <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p><p>Any windinstrument -&nbsp; sample it !</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-08T16:39:03Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>That&#039;s tough... I&#039;ve never had a lot of problems with my PCs...</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[EvilDragon]]></name>
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			<updated>2012-04-07T20:03:48Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well, I understand you.&nbsp; I never like any PC I had, cause all had a lot of problems, cause PC basis of PC language it&#039;s a crap, created to generate problems.&nbsp; Sometimes I would like to have TNT jut to explode my PC.&nbsp; &nbsp;Join this the cables, configuration problems, soundboard compability, trying to find the best LATENCY,&nbsp; and you get a headache.</p><p>But I also don&#039;t like the idea of a expensive digital&nbsp; piano,&nbsp; that will be outdate in few years, and can&#039;t be updated.</p><p>For me all digital things have a negative side and great headache potencial.&nbsp; First of all, all TV adds show a lie, cause in a TV comercial everthing works fine, but when you buy a digital product, the things are slow or buging.</p><p>I still use a CRT monitor, cause I just hate all LCD monitors, a lie from industry pushed to consumers. I just don&#039;t understand how people accept a distorted image.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>tractor_music wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>With 6 grand piano recreated, I bet it will cost a lot money.</p></blockquote></div><p>It is not at all clear to me that this would be &quot;going head to head against&quot; pianoteq.<br />I think it may be in search of a slightly different market segment.</p><p>Not everyone wants to use PCs, not everyone wants to adjust ANY parameters.<br />Many piano players have been used to acoustic instruments that offer very little &quot;adjustment&quot; between tunings (open/close the lid, move it relative to walls, install humidifier, install dehumidifier, drapes, etc.)</p><p>I think I would be content with a very nice Steinway that never goes out of tune, but at this point the closest thing to that is in Ivory II.<br />I am not all that enthusiastic about desks with keyboards, laptops and cables snaking around all over the place.<br />The integrated instrument has some appeal.&nbsp; <br />Set it, forget it.<br />Get back to PLAYING, etc.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-07T17:42:08Z</updated>
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