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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tejus wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Lipinska88 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I live in the US and purchased the upgrade online through the Pianoteq website and paid with PayPal and there was no VAT added.</p></blockquote></div><p>Hmm.&nbsp; Selecting a EU address yields</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Total: 150.00 € (EUR Incl. VAT) =&gt; implies should be 125 € without VAT</p><p>125 EUR would be ~$160 USD</p><p>However when I enter a US address, the total price shown is $190 USD (or 145 EUR).</p><p>So, basically the same as the EU price incl. VAT, which is confusing.&nbsp; Maybe export taxes or something?</p><p>Played with the demo today, like the sound.&nbsp; Undecided whether to wait for play (or &quot;stage&quot;) or go with the standard upgrade...</p></blockquote></div><p>I found a new (old stock, in box, unopened) Version 3 for a very good price - - Yipee<br />I can upgrade for free and get updates for 1 year after initial registration - - still GOOD !<br />I did the same trial upGRADE (to&nbsp; Pro) pricing exercise with a USA address and got the same result,<br />i.e. US$190, which obviously includes EU VAT.</p><p>I think I will stick with Standard unless/until the VAT thing can be sorted out.<br />OTOH, (as a pre-set bunny) I may just stick to Standard anyway.<br />on the 3rd hand.... Maybe I upgrade to Pro when V5 comes out, about 21 months from now.<br />Although that would sacrifice my pre-set bunny status.</p><p>January 2014 V5 - - You read it here first&nbsp; :-D</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-26T16:06:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tejus wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Lipinska88 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I live in the US and purchased the upgrade online through the Pianoteq website and paid with PayPal and there was no VAT added.</p></blockquote></div><p>Hmm.&nbsp; Selecting a EU address yields</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Total: 150.00 € (EUR Incl. VAT) =&gt; implies should be 125 € without VAT</p><p>125 EUR would be ~$160 USD</p><p>However when I enter a US address, the total price shown is $190 USD (or 145 EUR).</p><p>So, basically the same as the EU price incl. VAT, which is confusing.&nbsp; Maybe export taxes or something?</p><p>Played with the demo today, like the sound.&nbsp; Undecided whether to wait for play (or &quot;stage&quot;) or go with the standard upgrade...</p></blockquote></div><p>Add to that the &quot;Custom&quot; of US shoppers to EXPECT discounts of 20% or so from list prices - and to be able to get it via the mail/web order distributors - then the upgrades via Europe look a a lot less attractive.</p><p>The DEAL is E29 ($38 or so) for the upgrade of a year old or earlier V3 or V2.</p><p>I am holding off until B&amp;H, Sweetwater, Sam Ash, et al have V4 in stock (and discounted).<br />Hopefully a lot of the little &quot;day one bugs&quot; and oversights will be fixed by then - MAYBE :-D</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-24T10:07:02Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Lipinska88 wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I live in the US and purchased the upgrade online through the Pianoteq website and paid with PayPal and there was no VAT added.</p></blockquote></div><p>Hmm.&nbsp; Selecting a EU address yields</p><p>&nbsp; &nbsp; &nbsp;Total: 150.00 € (EUR Incl. VAT) =&gt; implies should be 125 € without VAT</p><p>125 EUR would be ~$160 USD</p><p>However when I enter a US address, the total price shown is $190 USD (or 145 EUR).</p><p>So, basically the same as the EU price incl. VAT, which is confusing.&nbsp; Maybe export taxes or something?</p><p>Played with the demo today, like the sound.&nbsp; Undecided whether to wait for play (or &quot;stage&quot;) or go with the standard upgrade...</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-24T06:16:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tejus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Great that it&#039;s finally here, and great pricing for upgrade.</p><p>I have PLAY, and am considering upgrade to STD.</p><p>I&#039;m in the US - are there any US distributers offering the upgrades so I can avoid the hefty 20% EU VAT?</p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote></div><p>I live in the US and purchased the upgrade online through the Pianoteq website and paid with PayPal and there was no VAT added.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-22T22:10:44Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tejus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Great that it&#039;s finally here, and great pricing for upgrade.</p><p>I have PLAY, and am considering upgrade to STD.</p><p>I&#039;m in the US - are there any US distributers offering the upgrades so I can avoid the hefty 20% EU VAT?</p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote></div><p>I don&#039;t know if they have it yet, or if they will, but B&amp;H is my best guess for US upgrades.</p><p>My rationale is that they were selling PTQ-3 as a download, so I assume they have some sort of a &quot;distributor&quot; contract, the terms of which MAY allow them to distribute upgrades - GUESSING here, just guessing.<br />They aren&#039;t listing PTQ4 (yet) so maybe it will be a little while before their web site is updated - maybe even longer before they get V4 update capability. <br />Anyway, probably worth a phone call.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-22T17:21:55Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>tejus wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Great that it&#039;s finally here, and great pricing for upgrade.</p><p>I have PLAY, and am considering upgrade to STD.</p><p>I&#039;m in the US - are there any US distributers offering the upgrades so I can avoid the hefty 20% EU VAT?</p><p>Thanks.</p></blockquote></div><p>I think the EU VAT isn&#039;t (should not be) applied for purchases to US - BICBW</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-21T12:26:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>benyig wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Can I try before I upgrade?</p></blockquote></div><p>Of course.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-21T07:43:18Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Can I try before I upgrade?</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-21T06:22:02Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Great that it&#039;s finally here, and great pricing for upgrade.</p><p>I have PLAY, and am considering upgrade to STD.</p><p>I&#039;m in the US - are there any US distributers offering the upgrades so I can avoid the hefty 20% EU VAT?</p><p>Thanks.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-21T00:16:59Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>benormerod wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>On the RH side of the place your order page is a link for upgrades, under &quot;select a product category&quot;.</p></blockquote></div><p>Found it, it even warned me that I have another 150 EUR update selected. Playing 4.0.0 now ;-)</p><p>Added bells.ptq and KViR.ptq</p><p>Seems I cannot find carillons in bells.ptq though.</p><p>R.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-20T15:41:16Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>On the RH side of the place your order page is a link for upgrades, under &quot;select a product category&quot;.</p><p>Enjoy!</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Richard wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I seem not able to find the 29 € offer, the shop always just offers me a 150 € upgrade which is a little bit off budget right now. I would take the 29 € right away. What am I doing wrong. </p><p>I think I have the 3.6.8 standard version.</p><p>R.</p></blockquote></div>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-20T14:32:15Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Pianoteq 4 upgrade pricing]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I seem not able to find the 29 € offer, the shop always just offers me a 150 € upgrade which is a little bit off budget right now. I would take the 29 € right away. What am I doing wrong. </p><p>I think I have the 3.6.8 standard version.</p><p>R.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-20T13:56:20Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>EvilDragon wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>@tractor_music: Start with Standard. My advice. <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p><br /><p>Why? Because Standard can load presets that were created with Pro version (with all the per-key changes), and PLAY version cannot do that. You will want that if you&#039;re a preset bunny.</p><br /><br /><br /><p>BTW everyone, as you may have noticed in Pianoteq&#039;s manual (if you&#039;ve installed the trial), Pianoteq PLAY will change its name to Pianoteq STAGE. Just a little bit of info <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>OK, I accept the tag &quot;preset bunny&quot; - I used to be a &quot;Rack Rat&quot;, so this is a much appreciated promotion :-D<br />Thanks for the tip.<br />Standard IS a good deal - - as long as preset bunnies don&#039;t turn into preset collectors/hoarders.</p><p>Probably next week, I have outside work to do, that MUST be done.<br />I&#039;ll try to time delivery for the next rainy day.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-20T00:06:45Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Gizmao wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>tractor_music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>With sales tax a &quot;B&quot; is just about $100K here...</p></blockquote></div><p>That cheap? Can&#039;t be a proper piano. Maybe as a nice piece of furniture…</p></blockquote></div><p>Strange though it may seem, I didn&#039;t question it; It is not as if I was SERIOUS about buying it, though I did glance at the tag.<br />It may be (well) used, it may not be a prime sample - to me it was just an opportunity to play with one and that opportunity doesn&#039;t arise very often.</p><p>Hmmm, I suspect that MANY $100K + &quot;pianos&quot; are indeed &quot;nice furniture&quot; and the name on the case probably COUNTS for some people who &quot;entertain&quot; at home.&nbsp; Even more impressive to have around if nobody in the family actually PLAYS&nbsp; :-D</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-19T23:57:27Z</updated>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I went pro this year. I find the spectrum profile keymap feature to be quite handy (though complex), likewise tweaking hammer hardness in certain areas where the models do have weaknesses.</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2012-04-19T13:45:06Z</updated>
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