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			<title><![CDATA[Upper and Lower Noise?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Do forgive me if this has been covered (to death) elsewhere in this forum. I&#039;m new here and have tried searching the forum for these terms but with no success.</p><p>Many moons ago I had a book by a one Jozseph Gat called &#039;The Technique of Piano Playing&#039;. Unfortunately I no longer have the book (I note there&#039;s a second-hand one for sale on Amazon at £250!) but I do remember a number of things he talked about including what he termed, if I remember correctly, &#039;upper&#039; and &#039;lower&#039; noise. The former is the noise that your finger makes as it hits a key and the latter the noise the key makes as it hits the key bed.</p><p>He was of the view, and I think had made some measurements to the effect, that these noises can constitute a very large part of the overall sound you hear when a piano is played. I remember that around the time I first read about this I had recently tried the keyboard of a concert grand that was being restored and had no action. I was amazed at what a racket just playing the keyboard made. </p><p>Again, if I remember correctly, Gat was of the view that these upper and lower noises were one of the ways that pianists changed the &#039;tone&#039; of their playing, for example to suit different pieces or different passages. They were also one of the ways in which different pianists&#039; &#039;tone&#039; seemed to be so different, even when playing on the same piano.</p><p>I tested this out a little myself and convinced myself, for example, that a lot of the brightness of an energetic finger staccato is indeed due to the noise the fingers make as they strike the tops of the keys. You can I think vary the &#039;tone&#039; of such a staccato considerably just by changing the distance (and therefore speed?) the fingers travel before they hit the note. I think it may be possible to change the &#039;tone&#039; in this way without necessarily changing the volume (hammer velocity?) much.</p><p>I&#039;ve been surprised in the intervening years not to have heard mention of these effects again. This may of course be because I haven&#039;t been reading the right things or talking to the right people. But when recently I read a couple of papers about physical modelling of the piano I was again struck that no mention was made of &#039;finger on key&#039; or &#039;key on key-bed&#039; noises. They just weren&#039;t included in the model which, on the face of it, seems like a bit of a glaring omission.</p><p>Can anyone shed any light on this?</p><p>Cheers, Ian.</p>]]></description>
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