here is a picture, I have a video but the sound is very poor - as so often ! And I really had no time to verify it all by myself, I prefered concentrating on the score!
By the way, you'll see that I had to put 4 pages together in front of me, so there was not a lot of place left to put an extra monitor. But I might consider this next time: a pair of very little speakers both sides of the keyboard, yes, good idea.
]]>Ya I can imagine you miss the direct sound that way... and just an extra speaker on top of the keyboard or something just as an extra monitor wasn't an option?
Do you have any recordings, audio or video, than you can share of the concert?
Very interesting to see and hear it...
cheers
Hans
The Bose Model I or Model II would do great ... every one, audience and performers, can hear clearly.
One could try a pair of Bose Compact L1's ($1K ea, rather than $2-3K for the bigger models) and probably do well for a quiet attentive audience as a soloist, but I'd be concerned about matching a 25-piece string ensemble -- but I know they (the Compact L1) would do well as monitors -- just probably not enough "oomph" to solo against the strings.
BTW: You'll be pleased with the PianoTeq sounds through a Bose L1 -- clean & accurate & can get plenty loud without distorting or 'coloring' the sound.
]]>But I would not consider sending the sound to the ceiling and waiting for it to bounce back , it's not organ I have to play it's piano! ;-)
Yes, a "dome", like the dome tweeters of monitors, but then with more power: a true piano played fortissimo goes largely above the 100 dB. That's a lot for studio monitors... Albeit? I'll try...
And for the visual, of course the laptop would be out of sight, the audience should only see a simple keyboard... Placing an array of 4 speakers just behind it and not too high seems a not-too-bad solution.
]]>One thing to worry about is the apparent detuning coming from far away as frequencies are absorbed and sent back sounding a bit lower. A Roman church might have a round ceiling over the musicians, keeping some of the sound unchanged and distributing it evenly to all musicians. The relative volume of this feedback can then be adjusted to the church condition.
As for the visual, I suppose you will use a keyboard on a stand with maybe a laptop partly visible somewhere, so if people are willing to accept that situation, I suppose seeing loudspeakers is not that important... just a thought
]]>Ah yes - a church - I know how the natural reverb can work against you...
a long time ago I made music for a WorldPressPhoto presentation in a big church in Amsterdam and had put a gunshot in the mix.... it 'echoed' through the whole church leaving quite an impression on all guests....
Ya I was thinking sort of a dome of speakers as well - the 360 degrees approach...
can't you think of such a solution to fit under your keyboard?...
I only play in a 'rock- environment' myself - all amplified so that's a different game all together
cheers
Hans
With a real piano, the nice thing is that the sound, while not completely the same, is at least "all right" from all angles. So yes, I would like to have a sound source in front of me, like a piano, but "radiating" at 360°... In fact I already experienced a setup like this for a smaller performance, playing in a trio, and it was rather convincing, but awful to be seen! Imagine an array of four 10" or 12" speakers just in the middle of the orchestra?!
Hum... maybe the 2 little monitors for me and a complement of two 8" placed not too high?
It just seems strange to me that nobody here would have faced this problem before? Since PianoTeq is aimed at replacing a real piano in all situations, I thought it was obvious...
]]>a bit tricky huh?
on the other hand - wouldn't you face the same problems with a real piano?
so if you'd place all speakers near your keyboard and make that sound as close to how 'normal sound radiation' from the piano would be, you would have the same basic principle to follow as 'any' concert pianist with an orchestra right?
And for the audience the speakers would be to the left and right of the stage facing the audience like with any 'rock-concert' - you would hear those yourself less so your play would be in response to the direct sound just like the orchestra would?
Hans
]]>I would say that a set of speakers pointing your way and a set facing the rest of the musicians should be enough?
Do you have a layout of the orchestral and piano placement on stage?
That might help some?
cheers
Hans
The sound for the audience is not too much of a problem: a pair of speakers each side of the orchestra will do the job. It's more the "monitoring" side (for me and the musicians) that is a concern for me. A "wedge" or two will probably only reach the first rank of the musicians, leaving the second violins and the alti out of reach. I'm thinking about putting another pair of speakers beyond the FOH, but oriented toward the musicians. But then, those speakers will be relatively far from my own playing position... and the "global" experience will probably be far away from what a real piano would do. I was also thinking about putting some speakers just before me (at the normal place of the strings of a piano), facing upward, but most speakers (and PA more so) have only a narrow diffusion angle for the high frequencies. I could of course put more and more speakers, side by side, to cover a wider angle but I don't want to put half a dozen of speakers in front of me either !!!
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