I really enjoy listening to PT; using my preferred piano settings in the background while I program.

Maybe this functionality already exists?

sigasa wrote:

Philippe,

Am I mistaken then in thinking that in the piano models the hammer travel time delay is similated, and that this is completely seperate from dynamics? Or is it that the dynamics slider as well as effecting volume also has the ability in itself by very nature to similate hammer travel time?

thank you Philippe,

Warm regards,

Chris

Chris, simulating the hammer travel time delay would just add an unnecessary delay that you wouldn't like to have. You must take into account that you already have several sources of delay in the digital chain, starting with the keyboard itself, depending on the type and location of the sensors, and ending up with the selected buffer size.

BTW, apart from modifying the dynamics, which alters the volume variation but not the timbre variation, you have also the more brutal option consisting in modifying the velocity curve, making it flatter, altering both volume and timbre.

PS. Congratulations for your recent fxp's!

For some odd reason I had thought that velocity curves had some of this built in, or there was something in the pianoteq model that simulated hammer flight time as a delay that varies based on key velocity.

This is WAY beyond my playing ability to appreciate, but it is my understanding that when playing a physical piano 'forte' the key reaches the key bed before the hammer strikes the strings, when playing 'piano' the hammer gets to the strings before the key reaches the key bed.
The race being about even at mezzo.

Some difference in the slower key travel, some in the slower hammer flight, I'm not (yet) convinced that this would be very complex.
SOME players may feel/hear/sense this.
That it exists and is probably simple to implement may be grounds enough to make the model a little more "complete" ?

Then you could add the little window midi section at the top to it which would act like a piano scroll, falling over the keys. And maybe allow the keys to act a bit like MIDIKeyz : http://midikeyz.com/

Who knows?, maybe it would then act as a virtual keyboard on touch screen tablet devices.

Not essential to Pianoteq, nor a priority, but could be nice

Philippe,

Am I mistaken then in thinking that in the piano models the hammer travel time delay is similated, and that this is completely seperate from dynamics? Or is it that the dynamics slider as well as effecting volume also has the ability in itself by very nature to similate hammer travel time?

thank you Philippe,

Warm regards,

Chris

Chris, simulating the hammer travel time delay would just add an unnecessary delay that you wouldn't like to have. You must take into account that you already have several sources of delay in the digital chain, starting with the keyboard itself, depending on the type and location of the sensors, and ending up with the selected buffer size.

BTW, apart from modifying the dynamics, which alters the volume variation but not the timbre variation, you have also the more brutal option consisting in modifying the velocity curve, making it flatter, altering both volume and timbre.

PS. Congratulations for your recent fxp's!

Proteq wrote:

Would it be possible to control the point at which the sound as triggered as you press a key?

Normal keyboards using switches wont be able to change this, but when using optical sensors like PNOSCAN II or pianodisk it would be possible to adjust the trigger point. I have started to develop such a sensor bar myself and I have integrated an option for that. Its really interesting to play with that parameter: It has a lot of influence to the repetition capability and the ability to play soft pianissimo(especially if you are not well trained in that).
If you're curious about my project you can visit http://sebion.wordpress.com/

Sebion

I have seen your videos of your single key optical sensor and also your 88 key vesrsion. I myself had thought of investing in an optical strip for better velocity control but had no idea that this would also be useful for repetition. This maked perfect sense to me as the optical strip is so sensetive and accurate using the speed of light. I will check out your link now,

thank you Sebion,

Chris

Would it be possible to control the point at which the sound as triggered as you press a key?

Normal keyboards using switches wont be able to change this, but when using optical sensors like PNOSCAN II or pianodisk it would be possible to adjust the trigger point. I have started to develop such a sensor bar myself and I have integrated an option for that. Its really interesting to play with that parameter: It has a lot of influence to the repetition capability and the ability to play soft pianissimo(especially if you are not well trained in that).
If you're curious about my project you can visit http://sebion.wordpress.com/

Am I mistaken then in thinking that in the piano models the hammer travel time delay is similated, and that this is completely seperate from dynamics? Or is it that the dynamics slider as well as effecting volume also has the ability in itself by very nature to similate hammer travel time?

thank you Philippe,

Warm regards,

Chris

PS. Note that the more you reduce the dynamics in a piano instrument, the less drops you will have in repetitions.

Repetitions on a single note - suggesting a slider enabling user to adjust repetition  response in order to compensate for slower keyboards

For example, on my NUMA Nero, I can get every note even on a very uneven moderately fast repetition to sound using the PianoTeq harpsichord models. However, if I play the same midi file back through one of the piano models (in this case, C3), notes drop.

As I said before, I understand that on a real piano, the hammer must throw and comeback. But on a well regulated grand, I should be able to get as good a result as with a harpsichord. On a well regulated grand piano, even a badly played repetition (with reason of course) should not drop out most notes, but that is what has been happening when I've tried to play repetitions on the pianos.

Note: if it were my irregular playing or the NUMA Nero that was causing the notes to drop out, it would also reflect this with the harpsichords would it not?

Here are the relevant demos

http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...di_A-B.mp3
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...ichord.mp3
http://www.forum-pianoteq.com/uploads.p...son_C3.mp3

Modartt, please may we have the ability via a slider to adjust repetition response. I understand damper duration can be varied, but that didn't 'fix' the issue for me. This will make it easier for those with slower responding keys.

Thank you Modartt

Standalone player
Global Volume settings for metronome, and perhaps a volume increase on first beat.
As it is now sure I can lower volume for a specific preset sound but as soon as I switch preset the volume goes back up unless I change all presets. So an independent metronome volume would be nice.

Higher internal sample rate for high end machines?
Got an i5 2500k cpu and in standalone version it doesn't sweat at all.
Tried to overload pianoteq with 256 notes polyphony @ 192khz but not a single click or pop that I could notice.
Changing the samplerate to 192 khz doesn't seem to change the quality as I know some softsynths do. Seems that pianoteq max internal sample rate is 48khz. Running on esi wamiterminal 192l win7 x64. So unless I missed something, an option to let pianoteq render at higher sample rates would be nice. Especially real time.

Otherwise I think it's a great product so far and can't wait for pianoteq 4.

I understand your reasoning, and already have an out-board card (a Phonic USB). As the card also accepts a mic and other inputs, I plan to use it for in-ear monitoring when leading worship at Church.

The idea is to buy a laptop which is "good enough" for Pianoteq, because that is all it will be used for: I won't put on any anti-virus, firewalls, or anything like that, because it will never go on-line.

My preferred platform is Linux: using an RT kernel and tweaking what's running will make a huge difference to the required hardware: Windows just loads too much useless stuff. Unfortunately the sound card is not supported, so I might sell that, then get one which is supported. Last night I tried with an XP installation in VirtualBox under Linux, but the sound card remained an issue :-(

As I am keen to get going (though I love its action, I can't stand the piano sounds on my Korg TR-88), I'll buy Pianoteq and use my work laptop until I can get a dedicated one. Hopefully by the version 4 is out, and the hardware specs published.

Thanks for the reply.

~8-)
John