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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;ve just found that in Cubase it&#039;s easy enough to hide controller messages, which is very useful when doing note editing if there is a lot of midi data, such as we get from a continuous pedal. I expect other sequencing programs may have a similar function.</p><p>To me, that&#039;s the most negative aspect of all this data being generated- clutter that interferes with working efficiently. It&#039;s nice to know there&#039;s a workaround.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Michael H]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-28T01:08:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I must just add that I do understand the issue with &#039;midi clutter/burst&#039; when using a potentiometer equiped pedal. I have had problems in the past with clicks/crackles when using my Yamaha FC3 Pedal! The midi activity is clearly visible on the indicator led on my X-Midi 1x1 midi to USB interface. It is a greater issue the less CPU power you have, obviously.</p><p>Chris</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sigasa]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-27T21:42:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Totally agree with Chris. And if you&#039;re not noticing the benefits, you could try modifying the pedal velocity curve to suit you better.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[mooks]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-27T19:57:21Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just seen this thread. I&#039;m not suprised at the amount of response. I don&#039;t think I&#039;d want to play a piano without half/continuous damper capabilities. It is an essential prerequisite for faithful pianistic performance of piano works. It makes such a difference. The creative scope of a half damper enabled pedal is far greater than the limitations of a switch. It brings so much to a piece if used skillfully, just as does a soft/una corda pedal used in the same manner. I for one would miss these capabilities on a pedal immensely!</p><p>Chris</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[sigasa]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-27T17:45:31Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Glenn NK wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Just a reminder that half-pedalling is not the same as continuous damper controls.</p><br /><p>Glenn</p></blockquote></div><p>I stand reminded! I did, of course, mean continuous damping.</p><p>Irritatingly, Garageband, which I play Pianoteq through, responds to and records continuous damping, but shows it as an on/off switch, which means it can&#039;t be examined or edited.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[benormerod]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-27T09:07:08Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I can&#039;t see any difference in performance (I think Pianoteq ignores it anyway) from a Midiboard into an older MacBook. But I keep it turned off anyway.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[doug]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T23:52:10Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>doug wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>Michael H wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I haven&#039;t tried a continuous damper pedal on my netbook yet- it would probably spontaneously combust <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>try polyphonic aftertouch: OUCH!</p></blockquote></div><p>Whoa! I expect that would be &#039;the straw that broke the camel&#039;s back&#039;..</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Michael H]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T23:18:57Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Michael H wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I haven&#039;t tried a continuous damper pedal on my netbook yet- it would probably spontaneously combust <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p></blockquote></div><p>try polyphonic aftertouch: OUCH!</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[doug]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T23:09:34Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I haven&#039;t tried a continuous damper pedal on my netbook yet- it would probably spontaneously combust <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Michael H]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T22:56:22Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Glenn NK wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Michael:</p><p>Your original point about cluttering up the midi stream is very valid.&nbsp; As I said, I usually have more Pedal Control values than notes/music.</p><p>Surely our computers have to read all the values, and there must be instances where the midi stream gets &quot;choked&quot;.&nbsp; The complexity of Pianoteq has risen considerably since I started using it, and the computations required must be mind boggling.</p><p>Glenn</p></blockquote></div><p>Hi Glenn,</p><p>Yeah, I think the amount of midi data is unfortunate, although how else they&#039;d do it is beyond me. Since this data is so small I think modern computers can handle it just fine ~most of the time~, but my VMK188plus keyboard is extremely unreliable when continuous pedal info is sent through it- and then there&#039;s the annoyance factor during the editing of notes. I guess we&#039;re stuck with this.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Michael H]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T22:47:00Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Glenn NK wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Surely our computers have to read all the values, and there must be instances where the midi stream gets &quot;choked&quot;.&nbsp; The complexity of Pianoteq has risen considerably since I started using it, and the computations required must be mind boggling.</p><p>Glenn</p></blockquote></div><p>Boggles my mind.</p><p>On avoiding choke,&nbsp; I find that I prefer a relatively short throw from 0 to 127 near the bottom of my pedal&#039;s travel; that seems closest to how it works on a real piano. </p><p>Sustain Velocity = [0, 10, 48, 125, 126, 127; 0, 0, 127, 127, 127, 127]</p><p>and it has the advantage that, although the MIDI stream won&#039;t change, Pianoteq won&#039;t need to adjust for most input values.</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[doug]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T22:43:24Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Michael:</p><p>Your original point about cluttering up the midi stream is very valid.&nbsp; As I said, I usually have more Pedal Control values than notes/music.</p><p>Surely our computers have to read all the values, and there must be instances where the midi stream gets &quot;choked&quot;.&nbsp; The complexity of Pianoteq has risen considerably since I started using it, and the computations required must be mind boggling.</p><p>Glenn</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Glenn NK]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T22:10:06Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Well guys, I stand corrected. I tried playing some of the same passages alternating a switch-type pedal and a &#039;continuous&#039; (thanks Glenn <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i>) pedal, and I noticed subtle nuances with the continuous pedal which really add to the realism. So, I guess I&#039;m a believer now- unless it&#039;s rock and roll...</p><p>And I suppose, depending on your sequencer, you might be able to filter out specific controller messages during editing, that would make things much easier visually.</p><p>Cheers,<br />Michael</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Michael H]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T22:02:48Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>Just a reminder that half-pedalling is not the same as continuous damper controls.</p><p>A midi file with half-pedalling has values of zero, 64, and 127.</p><p>A full range pedal generates all the values from zero to 127.</p><p>In my midi editor/sequencer, there is a window called the Event List.&nbsp; This is a screen shot of the Event List for one of my midi files:</p><p><a href="http://www.box.net/shared/y4e9r1c9gl">http://www.box.net/shared/y4e9r1c9gl</a></p><p>The red numbers are the Pedal Control values, the blue ones are the notes.</p><p>In this particular file, there are as many Pedal Control values as there are notes.</p><p>Which is the point that Michael was making I believe.</p><p>Glenn</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[Glenn NK]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T21:51:01Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Half damper pedal vs. footswitch]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I use half damping all the time; a lot of the music I like is pretty unplayable without it. I&#039;ve actually posted a recording that uses half damping;&nbsp; the ravel posted under my name on the other files page uses it towards the end in order to hold a fifth in the bass across some conflicting harmonies. (The repeated bass notes earlier are held by the sostenuto pedal).</p>]]></content>
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				<name><![CDATA[benormerod]]></name>
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			<updated>2011-02-26T21:11:49Z</updated>
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