Modartt user forum - Kovács cimbalom and realism

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-03T16:13:56Z

EvilDragon wrote:

I love kantele

You might want to check this out, if you have Kontakt.

Good luck with saving up for the upgrade, you'll need it!

I have that already, hehe. Surprising that a free instrument sounds that good, no?

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-03T10:31:45Z

I love kantele

You might want to check this out, if you have Kontakt.

Good luck with saving up for the upgrade, you'll need it!

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-03T06:17:52Z

EvilDragon wrote:

Yes, it has something to do with it. That feature is available on Standard and Pro versions, but not on Play version.

Then I'm out of luck, as I'm 16 and don't have the money for that. The €99 (about $137 at the time I bought it, if memory serves) for Play was roughly half the money I had available to spend at the time, and the €150 to upgrade is not something I have right now, especially considering that I'm trying to save up to buy a kantele (Wikipedia link; basically, a Finnish zither instrument). Guess I'll just work with what I've got.

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-02T09:06:20Z

Yes, it has something to do with it. That feature is available on Standard and Pro versions, but not on Play version.

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-02T03:57:19Z

Gilles wrote:

dalahast wrote:
Philippe Guillaume wrote:
You can reduce the damping duration, and eventually the sympathetic resonances.
Where's the damping duration setting?
Under EFFECTS, click on ACTION.

There's nothing there about damping duration. I'm using the Play version (because I'm cheap like that and can't afford the standard one), does that have anything to do with it?

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T22:13:30Z

dalahast wrote:

Philippe Guillaume wrote:
dalahast wrote:
One thing I do still notice is that the strings are not dampened completely right away; even with the reverb off, the notes still linger a bit longer than one would expect of a cimbalom.
You can reduce the damping duration, and eventually the sympathetic resonances.
Where's the damping duration setting?

Under EFFECTS, click on ACTION.

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T21:30:26Z

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

dalahast wrote:
One thing I do still notice is that the strings are not dampened completely right away; even with the reverb off, the notes still linger a bit longer than one would expect of a cimbalom.
You can reduce the damping duration, and eventually the sympathetic resonances.

Where's the damping duration setting?

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T10:53:08Z

dalahast wrote:

One thing I do still notice is that the strings are not dampened completely right away; even with the reverb off, the notes still linger a bit longer than one would expect of a cimbalom.

You can reduce the damping duration, and eventually the sympathetic resonances.

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T10:48:19Z

Then make the sustain pedal curve a bit more sloped, like this:

Sustain Velocity = [0, 6, 15, 31, 55, 77, 99, 124; 127, 94, 59, 35, 21, 11, 3, 0]

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T06:50:05Z

doug wrote:

Try reversing the pedal's input map so it slopes down to the right rather than up.

That seems to have done the trick, for the most part. One thing I do still notice is that the strings are not dampened completely right away; even with the reverb off, the notes still linger a bit longer than one would expect of a cimbalom.

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T03:31:18Z

Try reversing the pedal's input map so it slopes down to the right rather than up.

Re: Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T03:25:11Z

You might want to try assigning the sustain pedal (CC64) to Mute parameter in Action menu, and deassigning the CC64 from sustain pedal. It might work better for you.

Kovács cimbalom and realism

2011-02-01T02:48:00Z

While I love the sound of the cimbalom in Pianoteq, I'm constantly frustrated by one thing in it: the pedal. On a real cimbalom, the pedal pushes the dampers down, not lifts them (as the pedal on a piano would do), so all the notes are sustained until the pedal is pressed, and to get the short staccato notes, the pedal is held down while striking strings.

The Kovács cimbalom in Pianoteq is reversed, and acts like a piano. Not only is this confusing for me, since I know how a real cimbalom works and I expect it to work that way, but if I just attempt to suck it up and play the thing like a piano, I'm still frustrated because I have to press the pedal BEFORE hitting the first note I want to sustain. Pressing it immediately after, as works on a piano, doesn't work here because to Pianoteq, the damper is down and it makes the short sound (which is how it should work, except the damper shouldn't be up in that situation anyway because I pressed the pedal).

Can we get a fix for this, or at least a set of presets that reverses this so it works right?