sigasa wrote:

Thank you John

I have succeeded in getting an increase in midi range of the sustain pedal by pulling the jack out slightly. However, it is far from full range nor is it reliable!

Excuse me that I'm a bit late coming to this topic. I've got the Fatar VMK188plus myself, and I think the action is excellent- it's the TP40GH non-wooden action. If the Nero action is superior to this, then it must be truly amazing.

To add to the other owners who like it. I love my Numa Nero. Feels perfect to me BUT everyone's hands are different. I played a Yamaha acoustical piano at a venue recently, as one example, and the keyboard was lighter. I like the slightly harder action of the Numa Nero. I seem to get from examples of comments that pianists really like it overwhelmingly but synth/organ/multi keyboard players have the most negative remarks. I have been playing mine since it came out and have had no issues with midi or contacts. I like the uncluttered look also of no faders, switches, knobs as it helps the illusion of playing an acoustic with Pianoteq. Pianoteq is still my 'go-to' piano though I do have some impressive and expressive sample sets too. The dynamic feel of the model just feels so much better, imho, that throws it to the top even if you perceive a bit more expression and authenticity from the large sample library.

Hammerhead

Thank you John

I have succeeded in getting an increase in midi range of the sustain pedal by pulling the jack out slightly. However, it is far from full range nor is it reliable!

Excuse me that I'm a bit late coming to this topic. I've got the Fatar VMK188plus myself, and I think the action is excellent- it's the TP40GH non-wooden action. If the Nero action is superior to this, then it must be truly amazing.

Hopefully your Nero pedal messages will work better than mine, because the single most annoying thing about my keyboard is that the pedal inputs are unreliable, and they send a zero message unexpectedly every now and then for no reason. You can be using the sustain, and it just stops sustaining occasionally while the damper pedal is down. Not good. My Yamaha FC3 ranges from 10-113 or so on my Fatar, but gives full range 0-127 on my Yamaha P85. Even when I narrow the range on the Fatar, or assign different controllers for sustain, a zero gets sent sporadically. I'd be interested in knowing  if you come across this oddity yourself with the Numa.

I've ordered the CME GPP-3. It just so happens that the manufacturers have moved to a new factory and have been in the process of tooling it up. They are going to continue producing this dedicated pedal

Also they are making improvements to the product. I've not been told exactly what, but from what I can gather, it is tweeks to iron out problems such as have been found and described by a number of people previously.

As to my new NUMA Nero, I am delighted with this keyboard. I can honestly say it is the best keyboard I have ever played. I'm keeping mine

regards,

Chris

cheers
Hans

I've ordered the CME GPP-3. It just so happens that the manufacturers have moved to a new factory and have been in the process of tooling it up. They are going to continue producing this dedicated pedal

I remember that pedal. It was a nightmare. The MIDI out is super convenient, but faulty as hell. The firmware upgrade was a bitch and a half to install, and still didn't fix anything. I suppose the 1/4" outs are more reliable, but I wouldn't bet on it. Plus their forum/support was a ghost town. I'd cancel your order and get Roland's new triple pedal... http://www.rolandus.com/products/produc...arentId=41

I'm still not getting the full values.

And I still have to pull the jack out slightly to get continuous operation!

I've decided to send the pedal back.

Chris

sigasa wrote:

Opinions John?

I measured 5k to 10k variable resistence between the tip and the shield...the middle ring seems to have a diode. I am pretty sure the signal that generates the continnuous data is the tip/shield signal. Do you have the capability of measuring these values?

Maybe you should just verify with Kawai...anybody else have a clue?

JR

Thank you.

I don't have measuring equipment for voltage.

I was seeing a range from 127 down to almost 40 with the sustain jack slightly pulled out. I think the F-20 is capable of almost if not all the range. I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) that because the jack is not firmly in contact with the terminals, the current is not flowing optimally. This would explain why I've only managed 127->40 (0-<97).

I'll report back on the stereo jack adapters.

regards,

Chris

Opinions John?

I measured 5k to 10k variable resistence between the tip and the shield...the middle ring seems to have a diode. I am pretty sure the signal that generates the continnuous data is the tip/shield signal. Do you have the capability of measuring these values?

Maybe you should just verify with Kawai...anybody else have a clue?

JR

I have succeeded in getting an increase in midi range of the sustain pedal by pulling the jack out slightly. However, it is far from full range nor is it reliable!

Initially, I separated the signals of the stereo jack on the F-20 double pedal using an adapter (stereo- jack-socket-to-left-and-right-phono-plugs). Then I connected two phono-to-mono-jack adapters (one two each phono plug).

I'm actually thinking I should use phono-to-stereo-jack adapters? After all, the spec on the studiologic/fatar website says 'stereo pedal jack sockets'. Would this explain why I get better results when pulling the jacks back out slightly?

Anyhow, I've ordered two phono-to-stereo-jack adapters to see whether they do the trick!

Opinions John?

I've assigned sustain to c#64 and una-corda/soft to c#67

I just did a test with my Roland DP-8 and my Numa Nero. Both CC #64 and CC#67 allow continuous control, and I have the following settings in the Numa:

Polarity = negative (-)
Control type = Continuous
Multi = off

In Pianoteq, I have both "Controller 64" and "Controller 67" showing in the "Options/Midi Mapping" section with a range of 0 - 1.0.

The travel range for my DP-8 is 1 - 122.

JR

sigasa wrote:

Is my pedal mis-matched? It IS made by Fatar! I don't know whether or not I should send it back (Not the Nero, the pedal) or if I'm missing something in the setting up process???

HELP!!!

What controller numbers do you have assigned to each pedal?

JR

I've assigned sustain to c#64 and una-corda/soft to c#67

Is my pedal mis-matched? It IS made by Fatar! I don't know whether or not I should send it back (Not the Nero, the pedal) or if I'm missing something in the setting up process???

HELP!!!

What controller numbers do you have assigned to each pedal?

JR

I'm trying to get by Kawai F-20 Double Pedal set sync'd up with PianoTeq and my NUMA Nero. I have managed to assign the pedals so everything works in the NUMA Nero, but now, having mapped the pedals correctly, when play the pedal, the software pedals go down - so far so good - but when I lift my foot back up, the pedals do not follow!

The potentiometer has a range of 6 showing values of 0 - 5 or 122 - 127 in the midi log stream (depending on the polarity setting).

The soft pedal switch shows 5 and 22 or 122 and 105 in the midi log stream (again, depending on the polarity setting).

Is my pedal mis-matched? It IS made by Fatar! I don't know whether or not I should send it back (Not the Nero, the pedal) or if I'm missing something in the setting up process???

HELP!!!

A great video to see the NUMA Nero in it's true glory!