Modartt user forum - Pianoteq Play

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (fredbuck1) — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 13:45:07 +0000

Thanks Glenn for the quick reply.

Oh well, it must be more complicated than I thought.

Guess I was thinking about my old Yamaha CP-30. It produced it's sound from two piano/harpsichord sections, and each of these sections could detuned (each one had its own pitch knob) to produce some lovely beating effects, including a nice honkytonk piano sound. That was circa 1980.

Interestingly, this was not a sample based instrument, it created its sounds via 2 oscillators using a form of subtractive synthesis. Also, the DX7 had the ability to detune each of its six oscillators, both carriers and modulators, for some outstanding beating effects both in the body of the sound and in the harmonic content. Still a very deep form of synthesis.

Anyway, I have ordered Play from Sweetwater, and am looking forward to using it, don't know how long I'll be satisfied with it though, cause I'm a tweaker from way back. I'll probably be upgrading soon.

Thanks again

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (Glenn NK) — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 04:27:02 +0000

aandrmusic wrote:

Doesn't dragging a finger on the reel still work ?
(-:

No that just lowers all the unisons but they still stay in tune with each other.

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (aandrmusic) — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 02:04:54 +0000

Glenn NK wrote:

fredbuck1 wrote:
Was playing around with the Play demo, and was wondering if there is a way to detune the tone so as to create a honkytonk piano sound? Tried importing
FXP "far west piano", but no luck. EQ was imported, but no detuned honkytonk sound. Are we stuck with normal tuning in Play, or is there a work around?
It will be difficult to make historic instruments sound authentic without that capability.
If Play doesn't have that ability, that would be my suggestion for the next update.
You need at least the standard version where DETUNE really does the trick. That's the "update" you need.
BTW, how do you detune samples?
Glenn

Doesn't dragging a finger on the reel still work ?
(-:

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (Glenn NK) — Thu, 03 Jun 2010 00:59:57 +0000

fredbuck1 wrote:

Was playing around with the Play demo, and was wondering if there is a way to detune the tone so as to create a honkytonk piano sound? Tried importing
FXP "far west piano", but no luck. EQ was imported, but no detuned honkytonk sound. Are we stuck with normal tuning in Play, or is there a work around?
It will be difficult to make historic instruments sound authentic without that capability.
If Play doesn't have that ability, that would be my suggestion for the next update.

You need at least the standard version where DETUNE really does the trick. That's the "update" you need.

BTW, how do you detune samples?

Glenn

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (fredbuck1) — Wed, 02 Jun 2010 23:58:42 +0000

Was playing around with the Play demo, and was wondering if there is a way to detune the tone so as to create a honkytonk piano sound? Tried importing
FXP "far west piano", but no luck. EQ was imported, but no detuned honkytonk sound. Are we stuck with normal tuning in Play, or is there a work around?
It will be difficult to make historic instruments sound authentic without that capability.

If Play doesn't have that ability, that would be my suggestion for the next update.

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (dhalfen) — Fri, 28 May 2010 02:07:35 +0000

Cellomangler wrote:

I wouldn't mind wah in the Pro version on the grands as it might be fun to use on some custom instrument creations.

You can put the wah on anything - it's a "master effect" since the "CL1" Clavinet appeared!

(This is an example of how one instrument's "indigenous" features can now be used by the other instruments. )

BTW, I really liked your comment, though I'll "twiddle" it a tiny bit:

"Pianoteq [PLAY] - same great tone with less twiddling!"

(If you use "light," then we Americans will probably confuse it with weak beer, and fewer calories! Where are those bloody horses... )

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (Cellomangler) — Fri, 28 May 2010 01:40:44 +0000

EvilDragon wrote:

Cellomangler wrote:
The interface pic shows wah-wah as an effect for the K1 Piano. Is this actually available for the acoustic pianos in Play ? ..guess I could download the demo..........
Yes! I love putting my grands through wah, sounds so sparkling!

I wouldn't mind wah in the Pro version on the grands as it might be fun to use on some custom instrument creations.

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (EvilDragon) — Fri, 28 May 2010 00:11:40 +0000

Cellomangler wrote:

The interface pic shows wah-wah as an effect for the K1 Piano. Is this actually available for the acoustic pianos in Play ? ..guess I could download the demo..........

Yes! I love putting my grands through wah, sounds so sparkling!

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (Cellomangler) — Thu, 27 May 2010 23:58:49 +0000

Yeah the name is fine. I'll tell all my hesitant friends now that there's no excuse not to dive in. And it's a great idea to only pay the difference in price for updates... no penalty.
The interface pic shows wah-wah as an effect for the K1 Piano. Is this actually available for the acoustic pianos in Play ? ..guess I could download the demo..........

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (johnrule) — Thu, 27 May 2010 22:56:28 +0000

EvilDragon wrote:

johnrule wrote:
Is there an upgrade path from Play to Pianoteq or Pianoteq Pro?
JR
Yup, there must be one. Since you can upgrade from Standard to PRO (and pay only the price difference of 150€), then you ought to upgrade to Standard/PRO from PLAY and pay only the price difference (150€ PLAY->Standard, 300€ PLAY->PRO)

I think this was an excellent move for Modartt...it will get the core product into more hands.

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (Gilles) — Thu, 27 May 2010 21:38:39 +0000

did wrote:

Et pour ceux de la première heure, qu'apporte ce Pianoteq play ? Hormis le fait que l'on dispose pour 4 fois moins cher de 'sons prêt à jouer ' ?
Un fan déçu qui attendait mieux et qui se trompe certainement sur cette finalité !

Cette version allégée n'est pas pour les utilisateurs actuels mais pour les nouveaux venus qui voudraient simplement pouvoir jouer les instruments existants sans les modifier et qui en étaient empêchés par le prix de la version standard ou pro.

Par exemple, ceux qui utilisent une grande quantité d'instruments VST peuvent être ainsi plus tentés d'ajouter pianoteq à leur arsenal.

L'absence de beaucoup de fonctionnalités justifie le prix réduit selon moi.

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (did) — Thu, 27 May 2010 19:20:12 +0000

Et pour ceux de la première heure, qu'apporte ce Pianoteq play ? Hormis le fait que l'on dispose pour 4 fois moins cher de 'sons prêt à jouer ' ?

Un fan déçu qui attendait mieux et qui se trompe certainement sur cette finalité !

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (EvilDragon) — Thu, 27 May 2010 12:56:13 +0000

johnrule wrote:

Is there an upgrade path from Play to Pianoteq or Pianoteq Pro?
JR

Yup, there must be one. Since you can upgrade from Standard to PRO (and pay only the price difference of 150€), then you ought to upgrade to Standard/PRO from PLAY and pay only the price difference (150€ PLAY->Standard, 300€ PLAY->PRO)

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (johnrule) — Thu, 27 May 2010 12:34:08 +0000

Is there an upgrade path from Play to Pianoteq or Pianoteq Pro?

Re: Pianoteq Play

null@example.com (EvilDragon) — Thu, 27 May 2010 10:46:56 +0000

See this (taken from KvR):

ariston wrote:

I can see the editing possibilities as a selling point (I just got the wonderful OTR88 electric piano by Devine Machine, which was well worth it). Contrary to the OTR, I don't hear Pianoteq's quality as being quite there yet. When I play it, I feel like I'm playing a plugin - albeit well done - and not a piano. This is where I respectfully disagree: to my ears, most of the good to high quality sampled pianos sound a lot better than Pianoteq. Even Pianissimo sounds better to me, and that's a real steal (plus, although it uses samples, it loads up fairly quickly, making it a viable option for live usage).
Your mileage yadda yadda. It's good that there are demos, so that everyone can come to their own conclusions. I'll be watching Pianoteq closely, though, because the jump from version 2 to 3 was very impressive. And all of what I said is bitching on a very high level, no doubt about it.

A dozen posts later...

ariston wrote:

This is no joke... Dragon, your enthusiasm made me check it out again. Jelly's post made me rethink how I "tested" it (used my standard controller and never hooked it up to my master keyboard). I never really got into the depth of its tweakability. So, I downloaded the demo again and started to mess about a bit. What can I say? I changed my mind. The different sounds that can be had make this one hell of an instrument. You can really get all John-Cagey on this sucker! Setting up mics just how you like it is a real plus, as well.
I still think carefully sampled pianos sound a bit more convincing, if by their very nature a little rigid. But adding up the advantages in terms of sound design and easy accessibility, plus a comparatively low CPU footprint for what it does - I'm sold.
On Topic: Play is not an option for me, because it's missing nearly all the goodies that make this instrument unique.