And there's probably some residual ire at the many companies that are doing similar things, using old technology while creating instruments that are far behind the Ensoniqs, say, of twenty years ago, but claiming they are advanced.
Jake:
There is quite a bit of residual ire (well put) and apparently it's ongoing and not just because of Behringer. And it keeps on - just go into a DP store for an earful of "stuff".
Real Sound Modeling aka RSM so that it sound technical. What I hear is RBS.
Glenn
]]>Little bit funny to read these comments because everybody here seems to have chosen a very negative attitude towards this machine, before it's even released.
In all fairness, I have to mention that several points (which I noted before) essentially guarantee that this thing invites (read: deserves) the negative attitude. I'm certainly not commenting on the preset sounds (though I wouldn't hold high hopes for them), but come on: this thing's obviously a bit of a half-@$$#D product.
I had a Behringer keyboard amp for my Kawai, and -- believe me -- it was nothing special. I only bought it because it came at a special low, low price with the keyboard -- the "special" price should have been the overly-optimistic MSRP, quite frankly...
Hey, I'm all in favour of good competition -- but while Pianoteq may have some "shortcomings" (i.e., it's still not a real piano, which I can easily manage), it still rules the roost -- IMHumO.
This Behringer Beast seems like a rather expensive piece of furniture (read: doorstop -- HA!) more than anything which could even remotely compare to my setup.
]]>I would not even think of using the built in sounds of this behringer, but it would make a good speaker and controller if indeed the keyboard and amplifier are up to par! Also makes a nice piece of furniture (don't read doorstop!)
]]>And there's probably some residual ire at the many companies that are doing similar things, using old technology while creating instruments that are far behind the Ensoniqs, say, of twenty years ago, but claiming they are advanced.
]]>I don't own any Behringer myself, so I don't have any personal reason to defend them. Still I try be little bit more open to anything new.
I can see these kind of fanatic attitudes all the time like "ALL the Rolands are -" or "I don't ever play any virtual analog". Perhaps on this forum there are some people who refuse to see or hear any negativity or problematic in Pianoteq sound....?
]]>In THIS day and age?????!?
I can't even get all of the keys to sound at the same time???
Plus, the dang thing's 150 lbs. (almost 200 if you get the "fake grand" version), and you'd probably have to get a "real amp" or two (80W speakers for a piano -- are you JOKING???!). If I want to break my back, then I'll get a real piano, thank you very much...
(I'd sure as heck rather spend the MSRP of US$2649.99 on a real piano, anyway -- or, better yet, a new computer!!!)
Oh, but it has THREE pedals -- goodness bless 'em, I was all wrong, I'll buy one immediately!!!
(Sorry, just had to get that out of my system.)
]]>And yes, I too get the impression it's a pretty standard type of sampled digital piano.
Greg.
]]>So, like a said, the fashion of modelling is coming... Let's use this funny word in everything around... Háaa háaa háaaaa...
Sarcasm !
I think Modartt should change some things, like start to claim pianoteq as Truly Fully Modelled, and not just modelled. Just to make justice.
Yamaha CP1 is sampled instrument, with few "modelling" things.
Remamber one thing, in marketing the weaker things are never spoken, while some exclusive charasteristics are usually over spoken.
So if a digital piano just appear to say a little that is modelled, in a time true modelled it's a a very rare thing, so surely is not, cause if was they would speak in all directions over and over.
But they really don't say what it is.
My guess is that if they don't brag about physical modeling in real time (because that is the latest technology), then they aren't physically modeling the sound. Or perhaps like TruePianos, they really use samples, intensively tweak them, and "kind of allude to maybe it's modeling".
Something is missing - where is the interface (a la Pianoteq) where the sounds can be tweaked. At least the V-Piano offers that.
As you can see, I'm a bit skeptical (my skepticism tends to keep me from believing impossible claims).
Glenn
]]>Not so sure about the Yamaha. They say they're using samples and modelling, but they're very vague about their methods (marketing-talk). The instrument seems to offer no control over whatever might be modelled and no software editor is listed on their download site. Their modelling may mean adding some high freq sine tones to low strike samples and including extra sounds for dampering.
]]>If it is, then it's second hardware device after V-piano and I think it's not going to be the last one...
I've already compared V-piano against Yamaha CP1 at my local music store so it can only become the third....
]]>Tell me folks, how many years we heard this same old talking ???
---" Thanks to our RSM (Real Sound Modeling) engine, EUROGRAND instruments sound just like a real acoustic grand... " ---
From almost 10 years ago manufactures says their idigital instrument sounds like a real acoustic grand piano. But no digital piano had ever get that, even V-piano.
For only 2649 USD , a low price for a digital Baby Grand that would use a inovative sound generation... I bet it just another ordinary digital piano with a simple modelled sympathetic ressonance.
I'm afraid the word "modelled" will became a fashion, and many products will use that just because they model a very tiny aspect of that in some place, even than use sampling for most.
It wil be like the word "diet" or "light" or "low sugar" in food products.
]]>I didn't see any audio samples of this Behringer grand...
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