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			<description><![CDATA[<p>What about this?</p><p><a href="http://www.mediafire.com/file/7pwbxbrtxzpp21x/Bach%20Air.wav">http://www.mediafire.com/file/7pwbxbrtx...%20Air.wav</a></p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 24 Apr 2011 12:59:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=17016#p17016</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Just found this in the related videos of the above Jacques Loussier post....and can&#039;t resist posting it!</p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iehscct7lJI">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iehscct7lJI</a></p><p>Happy Easter everyone!</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 19:47:09 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=17014#p17014</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Resurrecting this topic from the graves...&nbsp; &nbsp;:-)</p><p>Speaking on graves, here another &quot;Spinning on Grave&quot; piano video:</p><br /><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xng_QbhHGY">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4xng_QbhHGY</a></p><br /><p>It have some quite nice &quot;Bach in jazz moments&quot;, but the jazz feeling changes too much in some segments, becaming almost pure Bach, and then fast get back to jazz.</p><br /><br /><p>Ok... now back to a more orthodox approach in a adaptation for piano only:</p><br /><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_AtdOYbVmE">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A_AtdOYbVmE</a></p><p>I think there are more formal adaptation for piano. </p><p>Pianoteq could include a option for foot controller, creating more voices, making possible to play piano very close to the original Bach composition for organ.</p><p>What about this idea?</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 23 Apr 2011 18:32:54 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11824#p11824</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>&quot;it can be nice&quot;. Sometimes ;-) Your &quot;gymnopedie&quot; is a good example. I think that even Satie could have been satisfied. In fact, this is what I&#039;m trying to say: and it&#039;s in the title of this post: would JSB rolling in is grave or enjoying? Please make sure the composer would enjoy ;-)</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 26 Apr 2010 07:12:31 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11807#p11807</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Many people only knows what the name Shakespeare is due the films based on Romeo an Juliet.&nbsp; &nbsp;</p><p>It remamber the polemic of film colorization. </p><p>B&amp;W it&#039;s a art, but a well applied color over some classic images can be&nbsp; nice too.</p><p><a href="http://img532.imageshack.us/i/scharisma2.jpg/"><span class="postimg"><img src="http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8008/scharisma2.jpg" alt="http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8008/scharisma2.jpg" title="http://img532.imageshack.us/img532/8008/scharisma2.jpg"/></span></a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Beto-Music)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 17:52:39 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11802#p11802</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I&#039;m not one to &quot;draw lines in the sand&quot; with music.&nbsp; At times, the original (as composed and scored) is desirable; at times this isn&#039;t quite as obvious.&nbsp; (One must recognize that the term &quot;desirable&quot; is highly subjective.)</p><p>This version of one of Satie&#039;s Gymnopedies has some merit, at least to me (why he tagged them with this name escapes me).</p><p>It was a midi file performed by a jazz pianist that has been discussed briefly on this forum.&nbsp; I rendered it to wave/mp3.</p><p><a href="http://www.box.net/shared/1t4phlphmi">http://www.box.net/shared/1t4phlphmi</a></p><p>Because I like this rendition, I searched and tracked down the other two Gymnopedie compositions which I&#039;ve rendered to wave and burned to a CD to listen to when I&#039;m travelling.&nbsp; So in some cases, the argument put forth by Beto has merit.</p><p>Glenn</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Glenn NK)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 16:23:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11800#p11800</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>let&#039;s hope! :-)</p><p>but think about this: would a comedy vaguely inspired by, say, &quot;Romeo &amp; Juliet&quot; make people go for Shakespeare&#039;s original afterwards? Really? ;-)</p><p>As I wrote: this is JUST my very personal opinion about it.</p><p>Peace and love :-)</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 25 Apr 2010 06:29:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11798#p11798</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Luc, thanks for your comments.</p><p>I think the composer&#039;s originals must be respected for recitals na other classic or orthodox presentations.&nbsp; <br />Every time a adaptation, or a too personal interpretation would be presented, it should clear say that is a adaptation, a modification.</p><p>But I still think some adaptations, like Vanessa Mae use to do, help to cget attention from young people to classic music. Maybe after heard the adaption they try to search for the original.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Beto-Music)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 21:12:47 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11794#p11794</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Sure, I only write my very personal opinion here: it&#039;s just the opinion of a composer, but hey, we are talking about compositions here, don&#039;t we? And while I&#039;m still alive (hopefully for a while!), I think I have to write it ! I&#039;m not such a purist to tell you that you should play Beethoven only on a pianoforte or Bach only on a harpsichord or an organ tuned down to 425 Hz, of course! But I feel that there are too many examples - personal opinion again! - of beautiful music treated the wrong way. Why would it be good to change someone&#039;s score??? I can&#039;t understand this. I CAN understand however that someone would like to improvise , either &quot;freely&quot;, either from a (known) tune: this kind of music is called &quot;Jazz&quot; if I&#039;m right ?! But I also think that complete scores should be played the way there were written, just because the composer did a great job writing them in a often very detailed way.<br />And I would surely agree with you about orchestrations made by someone else than the composer: I rarely like them. If I want to write for piano, I just do it; if I want to write (the same or another piece) for orchestra, I do it also. If I DIDN&#039;T&nbsp; write for orchestra, maybe it&#039;s because I DON&#039;T want to... see the difference? :-)</p><p>Have a nice W.E. !</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 15:13:32 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Beto-Music wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>35 years ago I think that any slight modification in a musicof a famous composer would be take as offensive. <br />Times change.</p></blockquote></div><p>Yes, times do change, and that&#039;s definitely a <span class="bbu">good</span> thing.&nbsp; The academic world (regardless of nation, though some are/were more rabid than others) was on a &quot;preserve the composer&#039;s original intentions at all costs&quot; kick for about the past 40-50 years.&nbsp; I&#039;m <em>very</em> happy to see this attitude&#039;s stranglehold on the (especially classical) music world relaxing in the past decade or so, because unless the composer is alive and involved, I think that this concept approaches absolute rubbish.&nbsp; (Even if the composer&#039;s involved, rubbish may result;&nbsp; I can&#039;t stand how Stravinsky conducts his own works, but I&#039;m very happy that more talented conductors can work wonders with the man&#039;s excellent music.&nbsp; On the other side of the coin, I derive very little pleasure from listening to how Mravinsky conducts Shostakovich, despite the conductor&#039;s famed reputation, because I think that the composer himself had better ideas for how his music should sound, which Mravinsky disregarded.)</p><p>Now, I&#039;m all in favour of having &quot;references&quot; which best demonstrate a composer&#039;s or performer&#039;s true intentions, but the grass doesn&#039;t stop growing just because of this reference point.&nbsp; Music&#039;s a living, breathing thing (or, more precisely, we humans are [mostly] living, breathing things which <span class="bbu">experience</span> music), and this applies just as much to rock &amp; jazz as it does to the &quot;re-creating&quot; (read:&nbsp; bringing to life) of works which comprise the &quot;classical&quot; genre.&nbsp; </p><p>Yes, I <span class="bbu">want</span> to hear how Papa Bach envisioned (and performed!) his music, but I also want to hear <span class="bbu">more</span> than that.&nbsp; All the truly &quot;great&quot; works (and even many mediocre ones) have multiple things to say to us, and different experiences are required to squeeze all the juice from the lime (so to speak).</p><p>You&#039;ll always have mavericks who want to &quot;do it their own way,&quot; and the results will vary (just as much as people&#039;s tastes!), but I am much more interested in hearing different &quot;takes&quot; on a piece than listening to the same static conception over and over and over again -- even more boring is hearing different people strive for the same static conception!&nbsp; (You should see my Bruckner symphonies collection:&nbsp; I&#039;ve compiled it with the express purpose of hearing as many <span class="bbu">different</span> takes on the same works as is possible in this day and age.&nbsp; I clearly prefer some to others, but I have no set standards.&nbsp; After listening, I have only one ultimate criterion:&nbsp; was the experience rewarding, or did I enjoy what I just heard?&nbsp; <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i>)</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>Luc Henrion wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>not bad, and a good musician for sure but I prefer the original a thousand times</p></blockquote></div><p>And this is completely a person&#039;s right -- I agree, the &quot;original&quot; has many merits.&nbsp; (And, in my case, I prefer the &quot;original&quot; 1,000 times better than orchestrations of the piece, especially the Stokowski version -- I greatly admire the man, but I just don&#039;t like some of the tomfoolery in which he engaged with certain works.&nbsp; I&#039;ll take the &quot;original&quot; -- or even the &quot;ragtime&quot; version above! -- over Stokowski&#039;s version any day!!!)</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 14:30:21 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>not bad, and a good musician for sure but I prefer the original a thousand times</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 24 Apr 2010 07:10:58 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Interesting. Thanks.</p><p>35 years ago I think that any slight modification in a musicof a famous composer would be take as offensive. <br />Times change.</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>CuriousDan wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>You guys may want to buy the album Bach And Beyond from Amazon.com and listen to Gabriela Montero&#039;s take on the Toccata (turns into furious bossa) and also the Preludium in C (goes popjazz). </p><p>Here&#039;s a sample of her improvisation skills on Beethoven - highly romantic style and a tango: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5egyD1240Y">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5egyD1240Y</a></p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Beto-Music)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 17:45:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11771#p11771</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>You guys may want to buy the album Bach And Beyond from Amazon.com and listen to Gabriela Montero&#039;s take on the Toccata (turns into furious bossa) and also the Preludium in C (goes popjazz). </p><p>Here&#039;s a sample of her improvisation skills on Beethoven - highly romantic style and a tango: <a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5egyD1240Y">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j5egyD1240Y</a></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (CuriousDan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Fri, 23 Apr 2010 04:20:40 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11674#p11674</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>well... may I disagree a little bit? I really don&#039;t like those versions at all!</p><p>First, OK, who cares if it&#039;s from JSB or not, but if you listen to other pieces like the italian concerto, you&#039;ll have to admit that JSB could write pieces in very different styles, so, why not this toccata?</p><p>Second, as a composer myself, I would certainly not be happy that someone else would play &quot;with&quot; my score this way. OK, JSB didn&#039;t have an electric guitar, but he knew very well, however, how to write for lute! He even wrote the same piece (in another tuning) for keyboard (petit prélude in Cm) and lute (the same, but in Dm). So...</p><p>Next, am I against all improvisation? Certainly not! As a matter of fact, I&#039;m improvising a lot myself, and, for the record, I also wrote 5 concertos and each time, I was hesitating to write or not the &quot;cadenza&quot;, leaving it up to the soloist or not... Finally, I wrote them all, but letting a lot of freedom to the musician as well.</p><p>I simply think we should keep our respect for the composers. But I&#039;m maybe too much of a purist here, for example I find the piano (original) version of Mussorgsky&#039;s &quot;pictures at an exhibition&quot;, much, much better than Ravel&#039;s orchestration! ;-)</p><p>Just my opinion anyway...</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Luc Henrion)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 19 Apr 2010 07:45:05 +0000</pubDate>
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			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=11657#p11657</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Many teenagers only get classic music, or some sort of it, through those adaptations.<br />This guitar version was interesting, adn still keep the feeling of the original.</p><p>Well... who knows what Bach would made if had a guitar back then...</p><div class="quotebox"><cite>skip wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I like this version of the Bach better than the original: <i class="far fa-smile smiley"></i></p><p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG7dnI0bW90">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XG7dnI0bW90</a></p><p>(getting a bit off topic. Has a nice harpsichord in it - there - on topic)</p><p>Greg.</p></blockquote></div>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 18 Apr 2010 18:26:04 +0000</pubDate>
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