Tricky question cause the 7000 is more of a competition with yamaha or even an upgrade vs the yamaha. Casio fanboy here but why set aside the 7000? Is it damaged? Showing unacceptable but probably normal wear with use?

I played both in showrooms and the yamaha has a great feeling initially but i assume it degrades with use much faster than the casio.

Hi bani223

I was initially going to replace the 7000 with an AP750. But I'm so pleased I went for the P525. It's, for me, the best yet of all the many boards I've owned. I've had several Yammies over the years, P120S, CP33, P515W. But this one is my favourite. At the time, the 7000 was my best yet. But the P525 clinched it for me. I love the longer pivot length and haptic feedback of the heavier (than the 7000) action/keybed, the consistent escapement simulation, and the narrower black keys. I also love the simulated ebony keytops and the even spacing/regulation of the keys themselves.

I'm glad I made the switch.

Warmest regards,

Chris

I played both in showrooms and the yamaha has a great feeling initially but i assume it degrades with use much faster than the casio.

2 additional questions  : 
What about Una corda ? You didn’t mention it
What about latency impact ?

Pianistically wrote:

Kengrayfield wrote:

Very interesting! I suppose this is redundant for Pianoteq?

Indeed. Actually , from my perspective, you are losing a fundamental resonance behaviour is you implement it with pianoteq  as  the SympResHost  acts as filter reacting to audio but doesn't work as  a coupled physical system which is what Pianoteq models.  Real sympathetic resonance happens with  strings mechanically coupled through the bridge and soundboard.  The SympResHost listens to an audio signal and excites resonant filters . The calibration only measures single-note decay, not actual coupling.It may sound convincing but doesn't compare to  what Pianoteq delivers
Now this plugin could be useful for owners of  some piano libraries that lack a good resonance implementation . ( keycape, vsl) . I wouldn't use it with Garrison CFX or VILabs (Modern D, Modern U ) as they have beautiful resonance natively .

Hi, Olivier here, the developer of PianoToLife. Thanks Chris for the mention, and thanks Pianistically for looking into it. Just one factual precision, since I can see how the description could give that impression.

The calibration does not only measure the decay of each note. It plays every key on its own and measures, for each string, its partials: their exact frequencies (so the inharmonicity of that piano), their levels, the decay of each partial, and their stereo image. The coupling between strings is not recorded separately: it is computed from those measured partials, according to how closely the partials of one string match those of another. Each string is then a set of resonators, driven by the real sound of the hosted piano, with dampers, half-pedal and pedal catch.

PianoToLife doesn't aim to model a whole piano like Pianoteq does: its goal is to make sampled pianos more realistic and musical. Personally, I believe in a hybrid approach, sampling plus modelling, but every approach is useful: everyone finds what they love, whether it's pure sampling, pure modelling, or a hybrid.

Best regards,
Olivier

hi Olivieri think you may have misunderstood what I wrote or blame me i wasn’t clear enough . What I meant is that in  a physical piano string resonance is not a linear convolution and the way sympathetic resonance works relies on the coupling between the bridge and the sound  board that you cannot extract by recording individual notes . This non -linear transfer of energy via the bridge is what creates unique sound with particular beatings and pitch shift and cannot be reproduced by a resonator.  But again I think your plug-in is great for sampled libraries that have poor implementation of resonance ,

Kengrayfield wrote:

sigasa wrote:

Olivier Frappier has created a program called 'SympResHost' which I stumbled across about a week ago. I use it primarily for the dedicated P525 option which allows for variable note-off. It works very well (thank you Olivier!). And thank you Borealis.

https://github.com/owfrappier/SympResHost

I use this because I don't have Logic!

Warmest regards,

Chris

Very interesting! I suppose this is redundant for Pianoteq?

Indeed. Actually , from my perspective, you are losing a fundamental resonance behaviour is you implement it with pianoteq  as  the SympResHost  acts as filter reacting to audio but doesn't work as  a coupled physical system which is what Pianoteq models.  Real sympathetic resonance happens with  strings mechanically coupled through the bridge and soundboard.  The SympResHost listens to an audio signal and excites resonant filters . The calibration only measures single-note decay, not actual coupling.It may sound convincing but doesn't compare to  what Pianoteq delivers
Now this plugin could be useful for owners of  some piano libraries that lack a good resonance implementation . ( keycape, vsl) . I wouldn't use it with Garrison CFX or VILabs (Modern D, Modern U ) as they have beautiful resonance natively .

Hi, Olivier here, the developer of PianoToLife. Thanks Chris for the mention, and thanks Pianistically for looking into it. Just one factual precision, since I can see how the description could give that impression.

The calibration does not only measure the decay of each note. It plays every key on its own and measures, for each string, its partials: their exact frequencies (so the inharmonicity of that piano), their levels, the decay of each partial, and their stereo image. The coupling between strings is not recorded separately: it is computed from those measured partials, according to how closely the partials of one string match those of another. Each string is then a set of resonators, driven by the real sound of the hosted piano, with dampers, half-pedal and pedal catch.

PianoToLife doesn't aim to model a whole piano like Pianoteq does: its goal is to make sampled pianos more realistic and musical. Personally, I believe in a hybrid approach, sampling plus modelling, but every approach is useful: everyone finds what they love, whether it's pure sampling, pure modelling, or a hybrid.

Best regards,
Olivier

Kengrayfield wrote:

sigasa wrote:

Olivier Frappier has created a program called 'SympResHost' which I stumbled across about a week ago. I use it primarily for the dedicated P525 option which allows for variable note-off. It works very well (thank you Olivier!). And thank you Borealis.

https://github.com/owfrappier/SympResHost

I use this because I don't have Logic!

Warmest regards,

Chris

Very interesting! I suppose this is redundant for Pianoteq?

Indeed. Actually , from my perspective, you are losing a fundamental resonance behaviour is you implement it with pianoteq  as  the SympResHost  acts as filter reacting to audio but doesn't work as  a coupled physical system which is what Pianoteq models.  Real sympathetic resonance happens with  strings mechanically coupled through the bridge and soundboard.  The SympResHost listens to an audio signal and excites resonant filters . The calibration only measures single-note decay, not actual coupling.It may sound convincing but doesn't compare to  what Pianoteq delivers
Now this plugin could be useful for owners of  some piano libraries that lack a good resonance implementation . ( keycape, vsl) . I wouldn't use it with Garrison CFX or VILabs (Modern D, Modern U ) as they have beautiful resonance natively .

Yes, Olivier designed this for sampled pianos. I don't use the resonance side of things. I just use it to obtain variable note-off for my P525.

Warmest regards,

Chris

P.s. 'SympResHost' is now renamed 'PianoToLife'.

PianoToLife 9.1.2 — the new name of SympResHost | Piano World https://share.google/Xy71febJvtYwR0QG5

And here's the website link

https://github.com/owfrappier/PianoToLife

sigasa wrote:

sigasa wrote:

Thank you Borealis, appreciated,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Olivier Frappier has created a program called 'SympResHost' which I stumbled across about a week ago. I use it primarily for the dedicated P525 option which allows for variable note-off. It works very well (thank you Olivier!). And thank you Borealis.

https://github.com/owfrappier/SympResHost

I use this because I don't have Logic!

Warmest regards,

Chris

Very interesting! I suppose this is redundant for Pianoteq?

Indeed. Actually , from my perspective, you are losing a fundamental resonance behaviour is you implement it with pianoteq  as  the SympResHost  acts as filter reacting to audio but doesn't work as  a coupled physical system which is what Pianoteq models.  Real sympathetic resonance happens with  strings mechanically coupled through the bridge and soundboard.  The SympResHost listens to an audio signal and excites resonant filters . The calibration only measures single-note decay, not actual coupling.It may sound convincing but doesn't compare to  what Pianoteq delivers
Now this plugin could be useful for owners of  some piano libraries that lack a good resonance implementation . ( keycape, vsl) . I wouldn't use it with Garrison CFX or VILabs (Modern D, Modern U ) as they have beautiful resonance natively .

sigasa wrote:

Borealis wrote:

Olivier had made a script for Logic (if you own it) : https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=12022

Maybe it could help you ?

Thank you Borealis, appreciated,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Olivier Frappier has created a program called 'SympResHost' which I stumbled across about a week ago. I use it primarily for the dedicated P525 option which allows for variable note-off. It works very well (thank you Olivier!). And thank you Borealis.

https://github.com/owfrappier/SympResHost

I use this because I don't have Logic!

Warmest regards,

Chris

Very interesting! I suppose this is redundant for Pianoteq?

Olivier Frappier has created a program called 'SympResHost' ...

Excellent find !

Borealis wrote:

Olivier had made a script for Logic (if you own it) : https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=12022

Maybe it could help you ?

Thank you Borealis, appreciated,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Olivier Frappier has created a program called 'SympResHost' which I stumbled across about a week ago. I use it primarily for the dedicated P525 option which allows for variable note-off. It works very well (thank you Olivier!). And thank you Borealis.

https://github.com/owfrappier/SympResHost

I use this because I don't have Logic!

Warmest regards,

Chris

Olivier had made a script for Logic (if you own it) : https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?id=12022

Maybe it could help you ?

Thank you Borealis, appreciated,

Warmest regards,

Chris

Maybe it could help you ?

Warmest regards,

Chris

Better image!