Medium touch on CP33

Velocity = [2, 18, 31, 44, 56, 82, 95, 110, 127; 0, 0, 13, 29, 47, 94, 110, 121, 127]

set CP33 touch to 'medium'

K1 has never sounded better. It's almost like a different instrument from when I first played it. I've been very impressed by each major update of Pianoteq but getting the right velocity curve takes it up to the next level.

Sorry it's taken me a while to reply to this. So busy with work lately!

Sigasa, I've actually been using your curve (from post 18) for months, and have got quite used to it. I've also converged on a slightly softened and uneven version of K1 with binaural (using a head size of 21 works just right for me).

I've just tried your latest curve, and the revelation comes with using the hard touch setting. Much better ppp and pp now, and it takes a bit more effort to get fff, which is probably as it should be.

Thanks for all your patient tweaking!

I have a further tweak Mooks! allows a very steady ascent velocity wise.

Velocity = [18, 81, 95, 110, 127; 0, 94, 110, 121, 127]

(Hard touch, Dynamics = 58,

Sigasa, I've actually been using your curve (from post 18) for months, and have got quite used to it. I've also converged on a slightly softened and uneven version of K1 with binaural (using a head size of 21 works just right for me).

I've just tried your latest curve, and the revelation comes with using the hard touch setting. Much better ppp and pp now, and it takes a bit more effort to get fff, which is probably as it should be.

Thanks for all your patient tweaking!

Velocity = [0, 18, 35, 50, 65, 79, 93, 109, 127; 0, 0, 25, 50, 74, 98, 116, 126, 127]

p.s. not final (any comments GREATLY appreciated)

First of all, I haven't found a similar curve (maybe I imagined it?!).

Secondly, I apologize for the bodged up velocity curve in the quote above! It should read - Velocity = [18, 98, 127; 0, 112, 127]

Thirdly, another apology is in order as I failed to include the dynamics setting that compensates for the new curve! (although there is a posted .fxp in the files section,

And finally, the dynamics setting in the .fxp has been revised from 58 to 57. Although this is only a single digit difference, it makes all the difference to the 'feel' - one, it's easier to reach the higher velocities, and two, it is easier to accentuate the melody line.

Here are the details of the alterations to the K1 Default Solo Recording Preset;
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Velocity = [18, 98, 127; 0, 112, 127]

Dynamics set to '57'

Limiter set to 'Off'

(I have) Main Volume set to '-6' (adjust as to your personal preference)

Level Compensation set to 'On'

Reverb set to 'Chamber Audience' Default Preset
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That's it!

Now go enjoy!

Velocity = [0, 19, 35, 50, 65, 78, 93, 109, 127; 0, 11, 28, 50, 74, 98, 116, 126, 127]

(Keyboard = Hard Touch Setting, Piano 1)

(hard touch / piano 1)

.fxp in file section

Hard Touch Setting on CP33 with Master Button enabled. As far as I can see, I'm pretty sure that having the Master Button enabled gives the most uniform, i.e. note for note,  curve on the CP33?

I created this curve from scratch and because it utilises Hard Touch Setting, it results in an extremely expressive curve.

One thing I have realised of late is this, Volume is also vitally important when trying to get an optimum 'feel'!

There is a 'sweet spot' at which the feel of the instrument is just right. It is amazing how our brains work in relation to to touch and sound. Most of us are familiar with the fact that our minds can 'play tricks on us'. What you hear when you play Pianoteq on any keyboard directly affects your perception of the touch. If the volume is lower than the 'sweet spot', the key action will be percieved as lighter. If the volume is higher than the 'sweet point', the key action will be percieved as harder.

So may I suggest, actual more honestly request, that we re-visit this topic bearing this in mind? I would very much love to continue this process until all of those involved reach the concensus that we have found the optimum velocity curve for the CP33.

Actually, maybe I should ask this, are any of the contributors to this thread using a velocity curve you are completely satisfied with? If so, I would be very interested to see, and try it for myself. I personally am still not completely satisfied that I have the optimum curve.

Shall we continue..?

Try this .fxp for use with CP33. Set CP33 touch setting to 'soft'.

It is best used as player perspective over stereo monitors.

Chris

apologies for being absent from this AMAZING discussion.  ironically, frustration with the curve was one of the reasons why i haven't spent much time on my pianoteq with my CP33.  i've enjoyed being able to sit down at an acoustic and "just play"

i love where this discussion is going, and promise to contribute some in the near future...life is very crazy for me right now, though.

at least, i wanted to say THANK YOU for getting this discussion going and participating with seriousness, enthusiasm and dedication!!

ethan