I suggest you experiment with a gentle dip in the EQ, starting around 700-800 hertz up to 4khz.
Unfortunately many loudspeakers often have harsh resonance around the presence region. Around this point is also the crossover where the top of the working range of the bass/mid driver meets with the bottom of the working range of the treble or tweeter unit. Both of these tasks are a tough call for their respective sizes of drive units, this is why some high-end loudspeakers have gone three way. Unfortunately three ways also have their own technical integration problems.
Headphones normally use a single coherent drive unit per ear. Those are small and light and are not required to make large excursions to recreate bass in a large space such as a living room. So that's why you don't typically hear those harsh resonances over headphones. Those are actually errors of the loudspeakers themselves, not the recordings.
Thank you for your help. I've also noticed that I've been avoiding this problem by preventing monitors being directed straight at me. You lose coherence for listening or mixing, but for playing the piano it's much more realistic and closer to playing on a real piano. The sound is less harsh and more diffuse.
I aimed the monitors towards the ceiling, like the speakers on some digital pianos.
BlackForest wrote:I must say I find the sound a bit harsh around 1 kHz. I am running the app on my ipad and going bis USB into my Korg Kronos. Usually all sounds fine with the Kronos. Also there is no EQ in the USB input.
Anyone else with this ussue?I love the new Kawai and for me the sound with headphone is magnificent. But with monitors (Focal shape 40) I also find the sound too harsh, I tested a studio simulator plugin (NX wave) and the same phenomenon of Harshness appears. Is It possible to keep the brilliance without the harshness ? I tried equalization without good results...
I suggest you experiment with a gentle dip in the EQ, starting around 700-800 hertz up to 4khz.
Unfortunately many loudspeakers often have harsh resonance around the presence region. Around this point is also the crossover where the top of the working range of the bass/mid driver meets with the bottom of the working range of the treble or tweeter unit. Both of these tasks are a tough call for their respective sizes of drive units, this is why some high-end loudspeakers have gone three way. Unfortunately three ways also have their own technical integration problems.
Headphones normally use a single coherent drive unit per ear. Those are small and light and are not required to make large excursions to recreate bass in a large space such as a living room. So that's why you don't typically hear those harsh resonances over headphones. Those are actually errors of the loudspeakers themselves, not the recordings.
]]>BlackForest wrote:I must say I find the sound a bit harsh around 1 kHz. I am running the app on my ipad and going bis USB into my Korg Kronos. Usually all sounds fine with the Kronos. Also there is no EQ in the USB input.
Anyone else with this ussue?I love the new Kawai and for me the sound with headphone is magnificent. But with monitors (Focal shape 40) I also find the sound too harsh, I tested a studio simulator plugin (NX wave) and the same phenomenon of Harshness appears. Is It possible to keep the brilliance without the harshness ? I tried equalization without good results...
I put 3 dots in the EQ next to each other so that i can take down a narrow frequency band with the middle dot.
]]>I must say I find the sound a bit harsh around 1 kHz. I am running the app on my ipad and going bis USB into my Korg Kronos. Usually all sounds fine with the Kronos. Also there is no EQ in the USB input.
Anyone else with this ussue?
I love the new Kawai and for me the sound with headphone is magnificent. But with monitors (Focal shape 40) I also find the sound too harsh, I tested a studio simulator plugin (NX wave) and the same phenomenon of Harshness appears. Is It possible to keep the brilliance without the harshness ? I tried equalization without good results...
]]>Yes Fleer, I am of the same opinion. I waited a bit, going back to the Shigeru regularly, but my impression hasn't changed much. I like it, like most of Pianoteq's models, but it doesn't strike me like the Bösendorfer (which is my new favorite). A clear difference seems to me that the Bösendorfer model has the most incredible dynamic range. The variation of timbre across dynamics is so inspiring...you get those quiet, soft "ppp"s, really like an acoustic, then those meaty mezzo's with a very distinct attack, all the way to thunderous "ffff"s, amazing. The Shigeru model, IMHO, is not special in that respect. Now, in real life, I only played SK-6 and SK-7, so what do I know However, I never played a real Bosey either... One thing is sure, these two acoustic pianos are obviously very different to start with.
I'll probably acquire the Shigeru model anyways, just to mess around with it, and I am quite sure the wizards at Modartt will make it even better in future updates
@aWc
@Qexl
Followed your advice and thoughts in the other thread.
Shigeru Kawai is a real beauty indeed.
Kudos @Modartt
Qexl wrote:To me, the new Shigeru Kawai is absolutely stunning. I find it quite authentic to the sound and feel of the physical piano. It covers a great range of repertoire.
Like a kind of meta piano, it has many of the distinct features of other pianos, all together - and you can tease out whatever you want with it. It's a fine update to the engine and piano for sure imho. Love this genuinely impressive piano!
On a divergent note, the Shigeru Kawai doesn’t convince me as much as the Bösendorfer does. Maybe it’s the sonic signature of the original instrument.
Where's the regular, unadulterated preset? Every other piano has it, Bluthner Model One, Steingraeber E272, Bechstein D282, etc. Where's the plain Shigeru?
I’m pretty sure that’s the Ryuyo. Ryuyo is the location of Kawai’s Grand Piano factory.
]]>Who in their right mind would use the built in sound
]]>Retire, yes, I have had many nice Roland keyboards, D-5, JV - 1000, U-20, XP-50, G- 600 arranger workstation…… and they were all great at the time. But they are retired. The last one, G-600 retired 2013 when I found Pianoteq.
Now I enjoy especially Bösendorfer and Shigeru Kawai.
@davidizquierdo82
Nice playing, nice sound. Thank you.
Best wishes,
Stig
]]>To me, the new Shigeru Kawai is absolutely stunning. I find it quite authentic to the sound and feel of the physical piano. It covers a great range of repertoire.
Like a kind of meta piano, it has many of the distinct features of other pianos, all together - and you can tease out whatever you want with it. It's a fine update to the engine and piano for sure imho. Love this genuinely impressive piano!
On a divergent note, the Shigeru Kawai doesn’t convince me as much as the Bösendorfer does. Maybe it’s the sonic signature of the original instrument.
]]>So, the preset name, for proper represent this fair recreation of a high standart japanese instrument, and also represent the power of it, must be:
Shigeru K. Hadouken
"Hadouken or Hadoken (波動拳, Hadōken, IPA: [hadoːkẽꜜɴ], literally "wave motion fist" or "fist of surge")."
:-)
After peeking at it for a couple of years, I finally purchased Pianoteq 8 this evening. The Steinway D is great. However, the Shigeru Kawai is AMAZING. One of the best VST pianos I've heard. Can't wait to start recording with it. I highly recommend it as part of your setup.
To me, the new Shigeru Kawai is absolutely stunning. I find it quite authentic to the sound and feel of the physical piano. It covers a great range of repertoire.
Like a kind of meta piano, it has many of the distinct features of other pianos, all together - and you can tease out whatever you want with it. It's a fine update to the engine and piano for sure imho. Love this genuinely impressive piano!