I think the most elegant solution is to be able to assign the resonance to it's own output, possibly combined with the other mechanical noises or perhaps they could be assignable as well.  Combine this with my other wish of definitive drop off for the mics, and... well, at least I'd be happy.

PS:  As one who like to mess with sound, I imagine ideas such as processing the resonance with reverb, delay, etc.  What if you shifted the recorded resonance track forward in time (to the left in your editor) so that you began to hear the resonance before the chord ?  There are always more possibilities for the impurist when you can isolate features and muck with them.
Hmmm...  I hope it's not too narcissistic to quote oneself...

That said, I'm a member of the pianoteq forum for a reason, and believe that in the end it's going to be something well-modeled like the pianoteq that can truly be a musical instrument through and through.  They're getting there.

Regarding the Garritan Steinway, the Basic version doesn't cost too too much.  It's worth considering adding to your collection so you can spend some quality time with it and it may fit the bill.  I have no idea if there's a similarly-priced option with the new Galaxy.

Now my comments are regarding sound and recording.  As Glenn mentioned in his last post- playing is a whole 'nother ballgame.  As much as i've tried, i just can't get around the alien feeling of velocity switching.  particularly when trying to play an expressive solo.  it truly sucks.  and none of them have been able to beat down that bogeyman yet, other than pianoteq.  which is why i am hopeful pianoteq will continue to march up piano mountain, and reach the pinnacle before i get too damn old to play anymore.

As he says, a single note from a good sample sounds very, very good, but even at my level of piano playing, I use more than one note at a time, and quite a few of them consecutively.

I've never played samples, but I've never heard one sample demo (surely they put their best on display) that had the "connectivity" of sound that Pianoteq has.  Most samples aren't even close, and some are terrible.

I use connectivity to describe how different levels of volume, tone, pitch, note length, pedaling, etc fit together to emulate the seamless overall sound that a real piano can produce.  To a very large extent, Pianoteq does this very well, and to a very large extent, samples fail.

I listened to another demo (Synthogy) two days ago - the individual note sound can be great although sometimes it fails miserably for no apparent reason.

But virtually always, there are spots where I detect an anomaly in the flow of sound (a discontinuity or a break, an unexpected change in tone or loudness).

It's somewhat akin to playing a piano with one note very badly out of tune.

Glenn

( actually I only mangle the audio vibrations through the use of various effects -it's highly addictive.  I'm hoping to summon the mother ship with the right output )

Finally, someone's speaking my language!!!

%^)

That doesn't mean Pianoteq won't get there.  Look at how much they have improved already.  It's only a matter of time I feel.

GLittle - Can you please tell me your honest opinion of the "Playability" of Garritan compared to Pianoteq.  I mean to the enth degree.  does it respond exactly how you expect it to when playing softly and then gradually build to fff?  Can you play a chopin etude and get all dynamic levels on that thing?

I have wasted more money than I want to mention on crappy virtual pianos.  Every one of them is a CD sitting on my shelf except Pianoteq.  I actually just 2 days ago considered buying Garritan Steinway Professional to "layer" with Pianoteq and yet this thread comes up.

I think it's fate .  But even so, I need to know if it dynamically responds well during playback because I can't find anywhere the amount of velocity layers etc.  And I refuse to spend "hours" editing my own piano performance within Logic Studio.  If I can't play it in, I won't record it.

Thanks,

Maestro2be

http://www.northernsounds.com/forum/arc...53692.html

Greg.

-glenn

If Pianoteq was my creation, I'd smile politely and say I was very  busy working on the sound you want (which is no doubt true).  But if I were to attempt to customize Pianoteq for individual customers, I'd never get anything else done (read a "few" posts and the quantity of requests for various changes soon becomes staggering).

Glenn

I've been playing with the Garritan Steinway lately and it does have a wonderful, woody, warm body.  I prefer pianoteq's sympathetic resonance and so on though.  I'd like to try marrying the two together.  But it doesn't work so well when there's much tone from pianoteq competing with the Garritan notes.

The pianoteq has nailed the thing that sampled pianos haven't been able to get right yet, at least to my ear.  Even with the various convolution processing and so on, the sample-based pianos I've played with don't get the same rich-but-not-detuned resonance that pianoteq does.

-glenn