Thanks for the input and the mp3
  :-)

I presume the 280VC have longer sustein and ressonances as it's longer than the model in the video.

Should the moddeled version have louder ressonances?
Or was the small room reverberation, in the video, adding extra loudness to it?

Chopin87 wrote:

Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs

The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
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https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

Good questions to which I am afraid there is really no right/correct answer IMHO. The sustains are probably louder in volume due to the proximity effect of the camera mic and it is certainly possible to replicate that in Pianoteq fiddling with impedance or the overtones themselves. Bosendorfers are really complicated to record in RL unless you know what you're doing and you've got quite a bit of experience with piano and the room, because the sound image projected by the piano varies a lot depending on how you place the mics, you can have the richest sound or the thinnest sound just by changing the recording spot.
So there is really no way to tell which sound is "right", it mainly depends on taste as well as the type of your music you're recording.

Key Fumbler wrote:

I'm sure as this one is very, very good it was worth the wait. I didn't like the presets without tweaking though. Hopefully those will improve for Stage users as it's excellent.

I'd be curious to see what custom presets folks are using. Haven't seen any in the FXP corner yet. I still need to spend some time sitting down and dialing things in for myself.

I'm not fully satisfied with my own efforts yet either, but nonetheless it's an excellent model - one of the best. I can almost entirely reduce that subtle Pianoteq synthetic cleanliness, but then it sounds slightly less like the specific target model too - and loses a little of the thunderous crisp bass authority. Trying to reach a happy medium - without bringing back too much hardness (the model compared to the real thing).
If I upgraded to Pro I think I would drive myself mad with all the extra adjustments potential!

Mainly listening with the warm and the classical presets. I've adjusted the classical hammers down on all three sliders. Then I used EQ to bring back some of the brightness. I also adjusted the reverb and moved the microphone positioning to bring back a little life the softer hammer positioning brought.

Don't get me wrong I think it's brilliant out of the box. Just also a little too brilliant in places. I seem to be the only one saying this. So I could be very wrong!

I am very happy with this excellent addition to Pianoteq.

I'm sure as this one is very, very good it was worth the wait. I didn't like the presets without tweaking though. Hopefully those will improve for Stage users as it's excellent.

I'd be curious to see what custom presets folks are using. Haven't seen any in the FXP corner yet. I still need to spend some time sitting down and dialing things in for myself.

I presume the 280VC have longer sustein and ressonances as it's longer than the model in the video.

Should the moddeled version have louder ressonances?
Or was the small room reverberation, in the video, adding extra loudness to it?

Key Fumbler wrote:

snurrfint wrote:

Anyone knows when 8.3 is availible for the iPad?

Already by the looks of it.

From the App store:

"What’s New
Version History
Jun 12, 2024 Version 8.3.0
- New grand piano: Grand Bösendorfer 280VC.

- The MIDI demos embedded in presets can now be loaded and played in the MIDI player of the standalone app.

- Gain reduction meter added to the Compressor effect."

It wasn't there when I wrote. It became available in the middle of the night in Europe. Its a bit confusing for iPad users when modarrt announces a new update is ready for download and its not there on the app store. Its not a big deal ofc.

Well it was only a few short hours, easily forgotten I'm sure.
In contrast I remember initially trying to buy a version of a famous synthesizer from a British company that normally produces for PC and Mac simultaneously and having to wait about one year for the PC version!!!!
That's not so forgettable - I went with a rival company for that one.
I'm sure as this one is very, very good it was worth the wait. I didn't like the presets without tweaking though. Hopefully those will improve for Stage users as it's excellent.

snurrfint wrote:

Anyone knows when 8.3 is availible for the iPad?

Already by the looks of it.

From the App store:

"What’s New
Version History
Jun 12, 2024 Version 8.3.0
- New grand piano: Grand Bösendorfer 280VC.

- The MIDI demos embedded in presets can now be loaded and played in the MIDI player of the standalone app.

- Gain reduction meter added to the Compressor effect."

It wasn't there when I wrote. It became available in the middle of the night in Europe. Its a bit confusing for iPad users when modarrt announces a new update is ready for download and its not there on the app store. Its not a big deal ofc.

Anyone knows when 8.3 is availible for the iPad?

Already by the looks of it.

From the App store:

"What’s New
Version History
Jun 12, 2024 Version 8.3.0
- New grand piano: Grand Bösendorfer 280VC.

- The MIDI demos embedded in presets can now be loaded and played in the MIDI player of the standalone app.

- Gain reduction meter added to the Compressor effect."

Key Fumbler wrote:

Chopin87 wrote:

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
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https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

The attack velocity sounds far too hard.

Indeed, such is the fickle nature of physics: less force less overtones.

Bucket loads in the original with much softer attack. Perhaps adjusting microphone positioning could help.

Edit personally out of the box I found the hammer hardness when played softly seemed unrealistically hard on the model - not enough variation in the sound of the attack at different velocity levels, making it sound too synthetic to me. I reduced this a little and to my amateur ears more like a real Piano. I then brought a little brightness back with a slight tweak to the EQ.

For this model I'm glad I've got Standard
rather than just Stage. I'm sure they will refine the tuning though. This model sounds superb, I was just a little bit surprised not like the sound from the presets without tweaking. Could just be me. That growling bass is great.
This 280vc  is an excellent addition. I'm sure we'll hear lots of tweaks in the FXP section soon.

Chopin87 wrote:

Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs

The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

The attack velocity sounds far too hard.

Indeed, such is the fickle nature of physics: less force less overtones.

Beto-Music wrote:

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs

The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3

The attack velocity sounds far too hard.

A nice test would be to try to replicate this:

https://youtube.com/shorts/avJYpTHeSmE?...orLAXBL5Bs

The essonance in the video have a very nice "moving around", and we get ghat well in the stereo, like the ressonances was water waves going from one area to another in a bathtube.

Out of curiosity I gave it a spin with the Bosendorfer 280VC which should be the preset closest to the original. The singing quality is there for me and while the example seems to sustain slightly more at higher volume in the first seconds, Pianoteq is even slightly longer overall (to the point I had to cut off before it completely died) but the resonances decay faster in volume. Didn't want to modify the preset, this is just a vanilla out of the box example.
.
https://forum.modartt.com/uploads.php?f...20CMaj.mp3