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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How to decrease the overall resonance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>stamkorg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thank you both for the answers.<br />I play exclusively with my headphones.<br />The idea of having a small global adjustment on the resonance is interesting. Juste an amount (in %)<br />That was the meaning of my request.</p><p>I&#039;m going to test the equalizer settings. <br />And all the rest. </p><p>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m the only one to feel this but I sometimes have the impression that the resonances of Pianoteq are richer than on my acoustic one, it&#039;s disturbing.<br />In any case, I didn&#039;t have this listening on the V7.</p></blockquote></div><p>Not sure how many different models (and presets) you tried but on headphones there can be massive variances. </p><p>I always recommend increasing the condition slider (I like mine at 0.5) and trying some of the soft/warm presets, or in general Blüthner. </p><p>8.2 has hugely reduced what I used to think of as metallic buildup (for lack of a better term). I’ve posted some demos that I think sound just like a piano over headphones.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 08:48:27 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How to decrease the overall resonance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>stamkorg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Thank you both for the answers.<br />I play exclusively with my headphones.<br />The idea of having a small global adjustment on the resonance is interesting. Juste an amount (in %)<br />That was the meaning of my request.</p><p>I&#039;m going to test the equalizer settings. <br />And all the rest. </p><p>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m the only one to feel this but I sometimes have the impression that the resonances of Pianoteq are richer than on my acoustic one, it&#039;s disturbing.<br />In any case, I didn&#039;t have this listening on the V7.</p></blockquote></div><p>My guess a global EQ or simple global resonance slider may be added in the next version - in addition to the individual curves that can be saved and applied to whatever given preset. <br />Another option might be for them to offer three simple global preference settings for tech-phobic players - soft, neutral, bright. Or another slider with that as a scale. </p><p>If you want a global EQ you can pop it into a lightweight DAW like Reaper and apply the EQ there - along with other FX to soften the sound. </p><p>It is interesting how much opinions can differ on this. So we get threads about the sound being too metallic, not woody enough, too woody and so on..</p><p> Your headphones, monitoring, room acoustics all play a far more significant part than many obviously realise. Along with these considerations user&#039;s individual hearing curves play that part.&nbsp; </p><p>People&#039;s playback systems are exacerbating any minor issues. Unfortunately both cheaper headphones and loudspeakers drive units tend to struggle right where the human ear is most sensitive. </p><p>I would encourage you to try different headphones and possibly monitor loudspeakers and experiment on one favourite preset first. Get that to sound closer to what you want. Understand I am not blaming that kit, merely pointing out that it will exaggerate any issues for you. </p><p>Pianoteq like all virtual instruments is not perfect, but nothing that plays back piano sounds is anyway. Whether that&#039;s real recorded piano performances, physically model piano or sampled instrument piano. <br />I also hear some really horrid capsule resonances from microphones captured on virtual sampled pianos and classical piano recordings. A better quality playback system makes a huge difference.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sun, 02 Jun 2024 08:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How to decrease the overall resonance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Thank you both for the answers.<br />I play exclusively with my headphones.<br />The idea of having a small global adjustment on the resonance is interesting. Juste an amount (in %)<br />That was the meaning of my request.</p><p>I&#039;m going to test the equalizer settings. <br />And all the rest. </p><p>I don&#039;t know if I&#039;m the only one to feel this but I sometimes have the impression that the resonances of Pianoteq are richer than on my acoustic one, it&#039;s disturbing.<br />In any case, I didn&#039;t have this listening on the V7.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (stamkorg)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2024 14:00:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How to decrease the overall resonance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Something global btw would be very cool! </p><p>stamkorg hasn&#039;t replied yet, so not certain if there&#039;s more info which could help understand requirements there better - but for sure, there are different cases for global vs. focussed edits. </p><p>I&#039;m thinking in hindsight maybe the question may not be so much &#039;how can I decrease res in some detailed way&#039; but like a general &#039;maybe it&#039;s too resonant overall, so can Pianoteq take that into account and reduce it generally in future updates&#039; or something ? IDK - but for sure, there has been some interest in some top-level global tools for this kind of thing in the past on the forum. </p><p>a<br />in the past, various times, when others were not so keen on the EQ tools supplied, I (and maybe others before/since) suggested a simple &#039;tilt EQ&#039; slider or knob (dark to bright).. it&#039;s something which is easily seen as a &#039;dumb&#039; kind of thing, but I&#039;ve mentioned before, you see it on mastering grade tools and it&#039;s not a toy thing for entry-level people struggling with more detailed EQ tools.. you get things where you want, then tilt a little to either side for a finishing touch... can be simple as any extra on the front interface (applied to final stage signal chain, nothing internal needs touching). </p><p>b<br />how about an &#039;applied resonances level&#039; slider? (think of a higher up the tree &#039;sympathetic resonance&#039; slider.. levelling not just symp res but the total of tools generating res). </p><p>To my way of thinking, those 2 things could give quite complete control to the many user issues/ideas which often come down to something like: </p><p>&quot;How can I make [less bright] or [less resonant] without having to dig into many individual controls?&quot; </p><p>In a way, the defaults are so good now, many don&#039;t necessarily wish to do fine edits, but rather some last mile &#039;negate some res&#039; (instead of learning/tweaking the genuinely brilliant Res EQ and Res Dur tools).. or &#039;negate some brightness&#039; without having to hone hammers and again facing some learning curves with the main Equalizer or the EQ3 tools. </p><p>Just because I love those tools in Pianoteq, doesn&#039;t mean that I&#039;m in broad company there.. In my time I&#039;ve noticed that a lot of users run screaming from anything to do with fussing with EQ - not just a Pianoteq thing, he adds again for old time&#039;s sake <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i></p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Qexl)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2024 10:12:00 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How to decrease the overall resonance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>When I used the words &quot;global setting&quot; I meant that in the traditional sense - a setting that would be applied globally, IOW to all the presets of all the packs at once. </p><p>If you could apply a change to those eq settings across all of the presets of all the packs it would badly affect lots of the existing presets replacing existing curves. </p><p>I don&#039;t think there is a universal solution to perceived excessive brightness with one preset that wouldn&#039;t mess up another one really badly.</p><p>I think it&#039;s better to do that as fine tuning per preset.<br />Most folks will have favourite presets anyway.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2024 08:05:37 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How to decrease the overall resonance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hope this helps in what you&#039;re aiming at..</p><p>A kind of global resonance alteration can be found within the Equalizer (the big button on front interface - I believe it&#039;s possibly one of the most overlooked tools with the most bang for buck inre resonance shaping), then in that panel, there are 2 other resonance related controls (they are buttons or tabs along the top line of the main Equalizer interface)..</p><p>One is &quot;Res EQ&quot; - (Resonance EQ) - you can adjust it from simple tilt thru to cutting/boosting any areas of tone within resonances that you like/dislike. Allows shaping the tone/prominence etc. of any frequency range which the resonances bring. </p><p>The other is &quot;Res Dur&quot; - (Resonance Duration) - very powerful for lengthening or reducing the &#039;time&#039; that any range of resonant frequencies &#039;ring out&#039;.. use it to totally dampen all resonances, or put a &#039;tilt&#039; (lower one end, raise the other) for one example to lessen &#039;bass resonances whilst increasing treble ones&#039; - or the inverse.. and also like the main EQ and Res EQ, you can make a great many fussy cuts/boosts if you like to really shape how the resonances play out. </p><p>Lowering &#039;sympathetic resonance&#039; can lessen the extent of certain resonant behaviour. </p><p>Also, look at adjusting the top right sliders (from &#039;Impedance&#039;) and the ones below (hover mouse over them to read what they do) - those controls in that pane can reduce how much &#039;high&#039; resonances are introduced, and also allow limiting how long those high resonances will &#039;ring out&#039; too. </p><p>Between those things, you can get a crazy lively resonant overdone sound, or a really restricted almost resonance-free dumpy tub-like sound - or push for something between church bells down to a dull thumping hollow log. Of course, reality is somewhere nearer the default settings for any preset type - but getting something you like better is a fine goal - best of luck getting there!</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Qexl)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sat, 01 Jun 2024 03:26:42 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: How to decrease the overall resonance?]]></title>
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			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>stamkorg wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Hello,</p><p>Since the release of version 8, I have the feeling that overall the resonance is a little too present. To my ear this translates into a slight lack of precision, a kind of veil of sound that is a little too complex for my taste.<br />Is it possible to slightly reduce the overall resonance without losing the benefit of the V8 input?</p><p>Thanks,<br />SK</p></blockquote></div><p>You seem to want a global setting is that right?</p><p>No such global control. You can change presets with numerous controls, on a per preset basis. </p><p>I suggest you might need to consider your room acoustics and loudspeaker system, or does this apply for you equally when listening via headphones? </p><p>I suggest the Grotrian, Petrof and the Steinway B presets tend to be less subjectively resonant than the Bechstein or the D pack, or&nbsp; most especially the extra brightness of the Bluthner with it&#039;s aliquot strings.</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2024 19:05:28 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description><![CDATA[<p>Hello,</p><p>Since the release of version 8, I have the feeling that overall the resonance is a little too present. To my ear this translates into a slight lack of precision, a kind of veil of sound that is a little too complex for my taste.<br />Is it possible to slightly reduce the overall resonance without losing the benefit of the V8 input?</p><p>Thanks,<br />SK</p>]]></description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 31 May 2024 12:57:36 +0000</pubDate>
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