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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Unwanted effect (possible bug) using Celeste pedal with felt presets]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=996494#p996494</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Qexl wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>Ah, I just typed this below bunch of words out - Stephen is absolutely right - and gets to the point better than I usually do <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i> </p><p>Maybe I&#039;ll post still.. there may be some reasoning buried in there which some might read and think &quot;Oh, I see why&quot; or something.. but sincerely glad to see you Stephen with a fine and fast answer. I often wish I could just say things so well without the feeling of requiring more words. What I had prepared.. </p><p>----&gt;</p><br /><p>This is because with regards to &quot;Felt&quot; presets, as I understand it..&nbsp; </p><p>the &quot;Celeste pedal&quot; is already engaged.. the idea is for it to be &#039;set and forget&#039; on the unused 4th pedal on the interface, leaving user&#039;s own hardware pedals for user-tweaks with other pedals.. </p><p>The 2nd pedal from the left, out of the 4 on the front panel, is usually unused, however it is set to &quot;Reverse the Celeste pedal&quot; via a checkbox you could un-check if you choose to. That will instantly remove it&#039;s effect. With &#039;reversed&#039; selected, when you depress the pedal, it will alleviate the strings of any dampening. </p><p>On the Felt piano presets, any Celeste pedal a user chooses is automatically going to load, with that &#039;reversed&#039; setting &#039;ON&#039;. </p><p>It saves time for users &#039;tweaking&#039; these felt presets.. to overcome people loading on another Celeste and getting &#039;the opposite&#039; behaviour... I honestly do not know which would be the least confusing.. but once you notice the &#039;felt pianos&#039; have that certain behaviour, it seems OK. The problem is, for the Celeste pedal effect to be &#039;on&#039;.. its pedal must be depressed - so it needs to be zero down and reversed.. just less glitchy than saying to users &quot;You press this pedal down all day long on felt pianos to get the effect&quot; <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i> </p><p>On a typical 3 pedal setup, that felted variant of the celeste pedal is un-used pedal normally. That way, users can do other things with their usual 2 or 3 hardware pedals.. </p><p>But, for sure, turn it off, or replace it on one of the 3 pedals you use - and for certain, try out different felt thicknesses (right-clicking one of the 4 pedals on the front interface reveals options like that, and also &#039;set it to anything between 0 and 100% on - so that even if you don&#039;t touch the pedal, you can have it slightly or fully engaged.) </p><p>For fun, if you right-click and alter for example, your middle pedal and change it to Celeste, you&#039;d see both pedals move up and down, but hear no difference, as 2 x Celeste pedals is not doubling (or enhancing anything).. just becoming a 2nd control point for the singular sound. It&#039;s probably simpler however to just avoid running 2 of any &#039;same pedals&#039; for any MIDI work.. both for simplicity&#039;s sake - but also for avoiding later memory induced time-sinks (it can though be fun to work through old Pianoteq preset tweaks to see &quot;Why was I trying that at the time?&quot;... but probably very few useful reasons for 2 of the same &#039;controls&#039; set to &#039;on&#039; since they unify, rather than act separately anyway.)</p></blockquote></div><p> thanks to you and Stephan. It makes sense. I though that the felt effect was included in the specific preset of the felt models and the Celeste pedal would accentuate the effect , but that’s not case . So once you know it , that’s fine . You can actually use the ´behaviour’ of the Celeste pedal to undo partially the effect of the preset felt by undoing the quantity of felt applied .</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Pianistically)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2024 12:05:33 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Unwanted effect (possible bug) using Celeste pedal with felt presets]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=996489#p996489</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I just typed this below bunch of words out - Stephen is absolutely right - and gets to the point better than I usually do <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i> </p><p>Maybe I&#039;ll post still.. there may be some reasoning buried in there which some might read and think &quot;Oh, I see why&quot; or something.. but sincerely glad to see you Stephen with a fine and fast answer. I often wish I could just say things so well without the feeling of requiring more words. What I had prepared.. </p><p>----&gt;</p><br /><p>This is because with regards to &quot;Felt&quot; presets, as I understand it..&nbsp; </p><p>the &quot;Celeste pedal&quot; is already engaged.. the idea is for it to be &#039;set and forget&#039; on the unused 4th pedal on the interface, leaving user&#039;s own hardware pedals for user-tweaks with other pedals.. </p><p>The 2nd pedal from the left, out of the 4 on the front panel, is usually unused, however it is set to &quot;Reverse the Celeste pedal&quot; via a checkbox you could un-check if you choose to. That will instantly remove it&#039;s effect. With &#039;reversed&#039; selected, when you depress the pedal, it will alleviate the strings of any dampening. </p><p>On the Felt piano presets, any Celeste pedal a user chooses is automatically going to load, with that &#039;reversed&#039; setting &#039;ON&#039;. </p><p>It saves time for users &#039;tweaking&#039; these felt presets.. to overcome people loading on another Celeste and getting &#039;the opposite&#039; behaviour... I honestly do not know which would be the least confusing.. but once you notice the &#039;felt pianos&#039; have that certain behaviour, it seems OK. The problem is, for the Celeste pedal effect to be &#039;on&#039;.. its pedal must be depressed - so it needs to be zero down and reversed.. just less glitchy than saying to users &quot;You press this pedal down all day long on felt pianos to get the effect&quot; <i class="far fa-smile-wink smiley"></i> </p><p>On a typical 3 pedal setup, that felted variant of the celeste pedal is un-used pedal normally. That way, users can do other things with their usual 2 or 3 hardware pedals.. </p><p>But, for sure, turn it off, or replace it on one of the 3 pedals you use - and for certain, try out different felt thicknesses (right-clicking one of the 4 pedals on the front interface reveals options like that, and also &#039;set it to anything between 0 and 100% on - so that even if you don&#039;t touch the pedal, you can have it slightly or fully engaged.) </p><p>For fun, if you right-click and alter for example, your middle pedal and change it to Celeste, you&#039;d see both pedals move up and down, but hear no difference, as 2 x Celeste pedals is not doubling (or enhancing anything).. just becoming a 2nd control point for the singular sound. It&#039;s probably simpler however to just avoid running 2 of any &#039;same pedals&#039; for any MIDI work.. both for simplicity&#039;s sake - but also for avoiding later memory induced time-sinks (it can though be fun to work through old Pianoteq preset tweaks to see &quot;Why was I trying that at the time?&quot;... but probably very few useful reasons for 2 of the same &#039;controls&#039; set to &#039;on&#039; since they unify, rather than act separately anyway.)</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Qexl)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2024 01:30:12 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Re: Unwanted effect (possible bug) using Celeste pedal with felt presets]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=996488#p996488</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Pianistically wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I discover that if you use Celeste pedal with any felt preset , it somehow cancels the felt effect and the resulting sounds is clearer and louder. Not a major issue as there is no real reason to use the celeste pedal which has felt on a model that already simulate felt, but the behaviour is unexpected.</p></blockquote></div><p>Right-click on the pedal assigned to &quot;Celeste Pedal.&quot; Uncheck (click) &quot;reverse the celeste pedal.&quot; Then try again. For the felt piano presets, the celeste pedal is engaged when the pedal is <strong>not</strong> depressed, by default. This is a convenience so that if that Pianoteq pedal is assigned by MIDI to a physical pedal, that physical pedal does not need to be continuously depressed in order to obtain and maintain the muted sound.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Stephen_Doonan)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Mon, 15 Apr 2024 01:21:19 +0000</pubDate>
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			<title><![CDATA[Unwanted effect (possible bug) using Celeste pedal with felt presets]]></title>
			<link>https://forum.modartt.com/viewtopic.php?pid=996480#p996480</link>
			<description><![CDATA[<p>I discover that if you use Celeste pedal with any felt preset , it somehow cancels the felt effect and the resulting sounds is clearer and louder. Not a major issue as there is no real reason to use the celeste pedal which has felt on a model that already simulate felt, but the behaviour is unexpected.</p>]]></description>
			<author><![CDATA[null@example.com (Pianistically)]]></author>
			<pubDate>Sun, 14 Apr 2024 13:41:04 +0000</pubDate>
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