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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Classical Guitar any way to play lower notes?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>@MannyF</p><p>Your comment about the possibility of extending the range of any guitar preset is very interesting !<br />I&#039;ve applied this recipe to the ‘Classical Guitar Melodic Vibrato’ : </p><p><a href="https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/ghyttar-88/">https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/ghyttar-88/</a></p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Classical Guitar any way to play lower notes?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>MannyF wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I realise the lowest note you can play on a guitar is the low E string</p></blockquote></div><p>Mine has low B string (7 string). I do not however have any amps that go to &quot;11&quot;.</p>]]></content>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Classical Guitar any way to play lower notes?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>MannyF wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>If some pianos can have a 105-note range, why not a 128-note range? And why give users the option of a range greater than 88 notes for pianos that originally only have 88 notes (at least in extended range mode)?</p></blockquote></div><p>Actually some rare acoustic pianos do have more than 88 keys and AFAIK none more than 105 which is where the number came from. Info about that in PTQ from <a href="https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_features#105keys">https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_features#105keys</a> and for acoustic pianos you can google it yourself.</p><p>Why not more? I guess from a software perspective you could easily do it, but from a hardware perspective it would be a moot point, since it&#039;d be extremely hard to get decent audio chains with such a broadband response. Not to mention the human ear response....</p>]]></content>
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			<updated>2024-03-17T03:34:42Z</updated>
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			<title type="html"><![CDATA[Re: Classical Guitar any way to play lower notes?]]></title>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>Gaston wrote:</cite><blockquote><div class="quotebox"><cite>MannyF wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I realise the lowest note you can play on a guitar is the low E string but I was wondering, since it&#039;s a modeled instrument, if there is any way to play notes lower than that? Some times I find myself wanting to go lower but it can&#039;t.</p></blockquote></div><p>You may change the tuning (e.g. Drop D) :</p><p><a href="https://ahp.li/85f58bd18b95d86e1105.jpg">https://ahp.li/85f58bd18b95d86e1105.jpg</a></p><p>Or use &quot;Guitare a la piano&quot; preset which allows you to use full 88 keys of your keyboard.</p><p>Example :<br /><a href="https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/piaghitaralano/">https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/piaghitaralano/</a></p></blockquote></div><p>Thanks Gaston! Your reply pointed me in the right direction. After loading &quot;Guitare a la piano&quot;, I noticed some icons had changed on the virtual keyboard:</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.vgy.me/YFkwnH.png" alt="https://i.vgy.me/YFkwnH.png" title="https://i.vgy.me/YFkwnH.png"/></span></p><p>It seems any preset supports this feature. There &quot;+/-&quot; button (green arrow) toggles between original and extended note range, pretty much does what it says on the tin and makes the whole 88-key virtual keyboard playable disregarding the physical limitations of instrument being modeled. When the button displays a &quot;-&quot; that means the extended range is active. The button at the top (red arrow) cycles through three types of keyboards: C = Chromatic, G = Guitar, D = Diatonic; click it until you see &quot;C&quot;, which gives you 88 piano keys and access to the lower registers of the extended range. There appear to be some limitations/compromises which at the moment I don&#039;t think can be overcome:</p><p>1. Unless you use Guitar mode you lose the guitar articulation section entirely, which I can&#039;t fathom because there are still unused notes left that could have been used for this.<br />2. Guitar articulations don&#039;t work when I enable the guitar-style keyboard unless it&#039;s a guitar patch. I think it would have been interesting from a sound design perspective to be able to use those features with, say, pianos, even if it sounds unnatural, it has a valid place in a sound design context.<br />3. Pianoteq ignores any notes outside the range of the 88-key virtual piano keyboard.<br />4. Some Pianos, such as the Steinway Model D, feature a 105-key range instead of the usual 88-key. When this is the case, Pianoteq displays arrow buttons either side of the virtual keyboard to enable scrolling (pic below). If some pianos can have a 105-note range, why not a 128-note range? And why give users the option of a range greater than 88 notes for pianos that originally only have 88 notes (at least in extended range mode)? I mean, who cares if it deviates from the original? Isn&#039;t that the point of models, to extrapolate physics and go beyond? I think this would be of interest from a sound design perspective.</p><p><span class="postimg"><img src="https://i.vgy.me/1TidlZ.png" alt="https://i.vgy.me/1TidlZ.png" title="https://i.vgy.me/1TidlZ.png"/></span></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<div class="quotebox"><cite>MannyF wrote:</cite><blockquote><p>I realise the lowest note you can play on a guitar is the low E string but I was wondering, since it&#039;s a modeled instrument, if there is any way to play notes lower than that? Some times I find myself wanting to go lower but it can&#039;t.</p></blockquote></div><p>You may change the tuning (e.g. Drop D) :</p><p><a href="https://ahp.li/85f58bd18b95d86e1105.jpg">https://ahp.li/85f58bd18b95d86e1105.jpg</a></p><p>Or use &quot;Guitare a la piano&quot; preset which allows you to use full 88 keys of your keyboard.</p><p>Example :<br /><a href="https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/piaghitaralano/">https://hearthis.at/xnwdv7yv/piaghitaralano/</a></p>]]></content>
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			<content type="html"><![CDATA[<p>I realise the lowest note you can play on a guitar is the low E string but I was wondering, since it&#039;s a modeled instrument, if there is any way to play notes lower than that? Some times I find myself wanting to go lower but it can&#039;t.</p>]]></content>
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