Looks strange indeed. I suggest you contact the support (provide screenshots).

no need, I was being super thick on this one (as usual)... on my newest computer (which is not permanently connected to the MIDI keyboard) I still ahdn´t updated PTQ 8.1 to PTQ 8.2....

anyway, all cool now.

sorry for wasting your time, and thanks for bearing with me.

thanks for the reply, guys

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

Maybe the path isn't set correctly? What happens if you drop the ptq file on the UI?

The result is the same whether I double click the file or drag and drop it to the UI. Again, the add-on is currently in the add-ons folder, saem as with the Kivir and bells add-ons

also, it's not further down the menu tree. on my older Mac, I can find it easily. it's just on this one. strange....

thanks again,
Miguel.

Looks strange indeed. I suggest you contact the support (provide screenshots).

The result is the same whether I double click the file or drag and drop it to the UI. Again, the add-on is currently in the add-ons folder, saem as with the Kivir and bells add-ons

also, it's not further down the menu tree. on my older Mac, I can find it easily. it's just on this one. strange....

thanks again,
Miguel.

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

We have added a Steinway V80 legacy version, see https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_legacy. It requires to own a Steinway D licence.

For those who want to use a previous preset built on version 8.0, here is how to proceed, for example for the NY Steinway D:
- login the user area, follow the link above and download STEINWAYDV80.ptq,
- drop it on Pianoteq 8.2 interface (or directly in your addons folder),
- load the old preset you want to use, say in "A", and load any V80 preset in "B", for example NY Steinway D Classical [V80]
- click again on "A" (your preset), click on the copy button at the top of the UI, select all parameters except "instrument",
- click on "B", click on the paste button,
- save your preset with an appropriate name.

Hi, thanks for the legacy patch. I have one issue, though, probably my fault:

I have two MacBooks running PTQ. On my older 2013 model the presets loaded just fine, as supposed.
On a newer arm M1 Macbook, however, the file is in the add-ons folder, but I can't see the presets in the preset menu. Tired loading them a couple of times, to no avail. Am I being too thick?

thanks in advance,
Miguel.

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Perhaps all you need to do is scroll down the instrument list - the V80 Steinways appear underneath K2, maybe not where you'd expect them to be.

yeah, Philippe, I did install PTQ 8.2 on the M1 Mac in all its glory, with all the add-ons.

btw, I really like the new 8.2 version.

thanks
Miguel

Maybe the path isn't set correctly? What happens if you drop the ptq file on the UI?

btw, I really like the new 8.2 version.

thanks
Miguel

Hi, thanks for the legacy patch. I have one issue, though, probably my fault:

I have two MacBooks running PTQ. On my older 2013 model the presets loaded just fine, as supposed.
On a newer arm M1 Macbook, however, the file is in the add-ons folder, but I can't see the presets in the preset menu. Tired loading them a couple of times, to no avail. Am I being too thick?

Did you install and activate the latest Pianoteq version (8.2) on your M1?

We have added a Steinway V80 legacy version, see https://www.modartt.com/pianoteq_legacy. It requires to own a Steinway D licence.

For those who want to use a previous preset built on version 8.0, here is how to proceed, for example for the NY Steinway D:
- login the user area, follow the link above and download STEINWAYDV80.ptq,
- drop it on Pianoteq 8.2 interface (or directly in your addons folder),
- load the old preset you want to use, say in "A", and load any V80 preset in "B", for example NY Steinway D Classical [V80]
- click again on "A" (your preset), click on the copy button at the top of the UI, select all parameters except "instrument",
- click on "B", click on the paste button,
- save your preset with an appropriate name.

Hi, thanks for the legacy patch. I have one issue, though, probably my fault:

I have two MacBooks running PTQ. On my older 2013 model the presets loaded just fine, as supposed.
On a newer arm M1 Macbook, however, the file is in the add-ons folder, but I can't see the presets in the preset menu. Tired loading them a couple of times, to no avail. Am I being too thick?

thanks in advance,
Miguel.

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At first I really loved the Steinway D..  in it's various forms, but mostly I stick with the Jazz or Prelude .  I really noticed a better sense of a balanced low register.  But became somewhat botherd by C5 (in my context)  I have been mainly using the Plugin version of 8.2 in Presonus Studio One - with a Lexicon Reverb plug in.   So turned off the reverb on the Pianoteq etc.   And that was enough to switch me from the NY to the Hamburg.  I'm now using the Hamburg Jazz - with out effects in the Studio one - and it's quite involving.  I can say that I never felt attached to the Hamburg in the previous version.

I also feel slightly less attached to the Steinway B - which I created a lovely solo Piano Patch for.   I may actually have enjoyed the B the most "several" versions before - but I can't for sure say it's the version - or if its just some sort of preferential bias when comparing different models in the same version.   For me, it's not generally the sound I notice - it's just a spooky sense of enhanced or diminished realism.  Which now has me wondering..

Is this more...  about needing different custom curves for different versions?  I'm going through tons of different curves again right now to see if I'm right 

[[Ps..  Sidenote:  I love the 515.  The action is heavy but there's something authentic with it.  Yes you have to move your body differently and maybe in a more free way to compensate for the downward weight - and if I don't - I get sore paws after 3 or 4 hours it seems...  But those changes now I'm making to my body's ability to receive the weight - actually are starting to look like improvements in expressivity also.   I have an uncle who sells Bosendoerfers and Shimmel etc...  he was over last weekend, and he was frankly astonished at the key action/connection to pianoteq.  Noting it was a "nice" heavy - which on a digital is not something he said about my RD2000  (not to get into a debate - all of these new digitals are absolute blessings for us)   I was thinking about grabbing a 525 to try but there's something reassuring to me in the 515 etc  ]]

Personally I don't know such a well factory calibrated MIDI keyboard. Too many seem to be very non-linear in the ppp-p and f-ff range and the effective resolution therefore is much lower than 127.

If this minimum requirement is fullfilled from factory, an individual fine-tuning with optimal results is possible with every release of Pianoteq via internal velocity curves - whether it is version 7.x or 8.2.

Philippe Guillaume wrote:

When playing one single note, you can really get fffff that go significantly above those from the e-competition, and that is more or less how we understand velocity 127 for Pianoteq. But as 127 is so easy to reach on many digital keyboards, is it the best choice?

Yes, your choice for Pianoteq's velocity 127 makes perfect sense. I would hate to see it recalibrated for "cheap" but more common keyboards. Users can always put a velocity cap into Pianoteq if they need to.

Strongly agree. Better to not to limit this to the lowest common denominator when this can already be done through custom velocity curves!

When playing one single note, you can really get fffff that go significantly above those from the e-competition, and that is more or less how we understand velocity 127 for Pianoteq. But as 127 is so easy to reach on many digital keyboards, is it the best choice?

Yes, your choice for Pianoteq's velocity 127 makes perfect sense. I would hate to see it recalibrated for "cheap" but more common keyboards. Users can always put a velocity cap into Pianoteq if they need to.

Really 127 should be the point at which the hammer breaks a string. My old Kawai, if set to "heavy" touch (which I keep it at) does a decent job of making it pretty difficult to hit 127, but it still triggers it a little more easily than I'd like.

It's also exceedingly difficult to play below a certain very quiet threshold on a piano (at a reasonable tempo). If you very, very slowly press a key, you can sometimes get the hammer to just kiss the string and make a very subtle tone (other times you won't get any sound), but with a normal technique you can't really play at or just above that nearly inaudible volume.

Instead pianists typically play their quietest at a very soft level where they can consistently get the hammers to actually stike the strings. You don't want to have several quiet notes fail to sound (a big danger on a piano that needs regulation). What is that "normal extreme quite playing" MIDI range? I don't know, maybe around 10-20??

Anyway, that's one of the first things you do when you're getting used to a new piano: see what's the quietest you can consistently get the notes to all sound at. Then in the performance, you aim to play just a hair above that.

And many of those files, downloaded directly from the E-piano competition website, when played back in Pianoteq, rarely exceeded a velocity of 112-114, even when the Yamaha acoustic grand piano was played with great force by the pianists during loud passages of the music.

How true! In fact it raises the question of what mean velocities above say 114. It is a crucial calibration question. On real pianos, the maximum strength you can put depends on several factors (including the pianist skills), one of which being how many notes are played simultaneously. When playing one single note, you can really get fffff that go significantly above those from the e-competition, and that is more or less how we understand velocity 127 for Pianoteq. But as 127 is so easy to reach on many digital keyboards, is it the best choice?

Thus your suggestion of limiting the range really makes sense. It is an alternative to having under the fingers a keyboard where 127 is as difficult to reach as a one finger blow on an acoustic piano. In any case I am glad that you like the new voicing (and recalibration that came with)!